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Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by copsarebastards »

endymi0n wrote: post #70
copsarebastards wrote: post #50

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I had the same experience. Luckily for me the secretary at my work politely declined to pass on the call.

Same thing here - on top he was talking in English (I'm German) and didn't even ask if I was in a good position to talk. Talk about awkwardness to my colleagues.

At another job I worked at, our team had some of the most well-known devs in the metropolitan area, and our office line received 5-10 calls a day from recruiters asking for one of the devs. We had a team rule: you answer with "Hello" only and don't give any information to the caller until they give you their name, company, and reason for calling. It didn't stop some people from calling us daily.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rilita wrote: post #75
TeMPOraL wrote: post #53

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> Most recruiters will not share this information until you have gone through the process more. What is to stop you from ignoring them and contacting companies directly once they give this? Common courtesy. Not giving company name is a sign that the deal with the recruiter will likely not be a "win-win" arrangement. > This is a poor choice and will drive away recruiters. I think that's sort of a point of that form. T…

I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter. If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent. The whole attitude of "I want to know the salary since I intend to switch again in a couple of years" is exactly why I…

> I agree it is reasonable to share the company name once you express interest. It is not reasonable to need it to decide whether you will even speak to the recruiter.

Fair enough.

> If your desire is just to weed out recruiters, why not just say "fuck off" and see which ones still persist. This is nearly equivalent.

That's actually the reverse filter - it would weed out the ones you'd like to talk about, and leave out spammers.

> The whole attitude of "I want to know the salary since I intend to switch again in a couple of years" is exactly why I wouldn't hire people with this attitude.

In tech, most people you're recruiting already have a job. So I want to know the salary as an input for consideration if I care to leave my current position.

This circles back to the company name issue - if I am to treat a new job primarily as an "opportunity" for doing something good/interesting, I'll need to know a lot more than just what kind of skills they're looking for. I'd like to do my own research, and for that, I need the company name.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by Karunamon »

rilita wrote: post #80
rfrey wrote: post #41

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It's an insult to ask what the pay is? Do you think the recruiter asks the employer? If so, there are two possible reasons: because it's pertinent information for candidates, or because the recruiter gets paid based on that info. If the former, no insult. If the latter, the recruiter is in familiar territory if so "insulted" by the candidate.

Yes it is. Many companies doing direct hire ( going past recruiters entirely ) will drop you as a candidate entirely if you ask for salary too soon in the process.

Sounds like another awful BS filter with a high false positive rate, like the outfits that require you to submit a resume, and then painstakingly duplicate that information into a set of form fields (one or the other sure, but both?)

For the most part, people are working to get paid. I see absolutely no need to sugar coat or dance around this simple fact.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by chadgeidel »

rilita wrote: post #76
sqldba wrote: post #26

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"Opportunity"! Opportunity to work for less while the recruiter sits there earning a fat fee for merely passing on my resume? No thanks. I love how everyone thinks their job is some amazing opportunity but won't back it up with something useful you can put towards maybe buying a place to live, like money.

Recruiters don't merely pass on resumes. They work hard to find viable candidates and to tolerate their crappy attitudes when they are trying to help place people in good jobs.

In my experience this has not been the case.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by fuzzywalrus »

dorfsmay wrote: post #18

Are recruiters that big of an issue for you guys? I do not get that many emails/contacts from recruiters, and I find a quick polite email exchange or one phone call allows to quickly clarify the situation and we're done. I actually welcome recruiters contacting me, it keeps me in the loop of what's going, market rate etc... and sometime help me finding new gigs. EDIT: It seems that where you are located makes a big d…

Recruiters come in waves, I may have zero recruiters for two months then have 4-5 in a week. So sometimes its flattering after the 3rd or 4th of things that barely fit, its just "What do you want?"

The only recruiters I ever reply to are ones that state the company that they are representing. They tend to be local and actually trying.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by chadgeidel »

rilita wrote: post #80
rfrey wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an insult to ask what the pay is? Do you think the recruiter asks the employer? If so, there are two possible reasons: because it's pertinent information for candidates, or because the recruiter gets paid based on that info. If the former, no insult. If the latter, the recruiter is in familiar territory if so "insulted" by the candidate.

Yes it is. Many companies doing direct hire ( going past recruiters entirely ) will drop you as a candidate entirely if you ask for salary too soon in the process.

Excellent. I wouldn't want to work for that company anyway. Recruitment goes both ways.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by s73v3r »

rilita wrote: post #20

Regarding your choice of fields: 1. Name - This is already in emails I get from recruiters 2. Email - Useful since LinkedIn emails typically don't include their actual email 3. Phone Number - Ditto to #1; they typically include it 4. How did you find me - Considering you stated this is in reply to LinkedIn recruiters; LinkedIn?? ... 5. Name of the company - Most recruiters will not share this information until you ha…

"Yearly salary before taxes - This is a required field. If I were a recruiter I would ignore you at this point. "

And nothing of value would have been lost. Any recruiter that isn't willing to disclose this is looking to lowball you.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by tomjen3 »

rilita wrote: post #20

Regarding your choice of fields: 1. Name - This is already in emails I get from recruiters 2. Email - Useful since LinkedIn emails typically don't include their actual email 3. Phone Number - Ditto to #1; they typically include it 4. How did you find me - Considering you stated this is in reply to LinkedIn recruiters; LinkedIn?? ... 5. Name of the company - Most recruiters will not share this information until you ha…

I wouldn't even waste the harddrive space for a database entry unless I knew the exact location where I would be working and the name of the company that I would be working at. Most companies are bullshit and I have a very low tolerance for that or commuting (since length of commute is inversely correlated with happiness).

No, I am not going to go outside and apply directly - I wouldn't get a higher salary that way.

Re: Show HN: My reply to LinkedIn recruiters

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Post by throwaway12309 »

rilita wrote: post #72
mathgeek wrote: post #25

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> You should be more interested in the opportunity not the exact pay. This looks like a money grab. Having a good career is more important than a dollar figure. If you're already in a position that you enjoy, the dollar figure is certainly one of, if not the most important items on a cold call job offer. Asking them to open the discussion with a rough number is more than fair, in my book.

I would never hire someone with this perspective. Quality of the position and the ability to enjoy it and work hard without stressing is way more important than pay in my book.

No wonder there is a tech shortage. "I want people that don't care about money so I can treat them like slaves" YAY Go Tech! /s
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