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Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

#81

Post by goodmythical »

bko wrote: post #73
BoxFour wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite: Copy can signal that a real person spent time on the details and cared about the product. Auto-correct and speech-to-text still carry that idea. Even boring corporate PR language communicates something. It says the company wants to project stability and predictability, which can be reassuring. Slightly awkward, unpolished copy also sends a signal. It suggests a person speaking directly off-the-cuff rather…

> Auto-correct and speech-to-text still carry that idea Why? You didn't spend real time consulting a dictionary or using penmanship, since writing is often slower than speaking. You didn't do your own memory management? Wow, guess you don't care about the details. Used a compiler? Wow dude, please spend the time to actually build the product the right way. These are all levels of abstraction, the idea is the idea. Th…

I'm with you. Keep fighting the good fight.

Can't wait until people give up this lunacy.

It's exactly the same "back in my day" bullshit that's always existed.

What do you mean you typed this? If it isn't handwritten, I won't accept it. What do you mean you drove to work? Do you not have the dedication to walk? You can't be a good fit for this company if you're so lazy that you have to drive to work.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

#82

Post by nerali »

I like it! It’s aesthetically pleasing and has a nice concept.

There’s still quite a lot that could be refined in terms of UX, visual details, and even the AI-generated texts, as others in the comments have pointed out, but it works well as an MVP. With some polishing over time, it could become a really great app. Great work.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

#83

Post by BobaFloutist »

goodmythical wrote: post #80
lelanthran wrote: post #54

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Well, if someone can't bother to write something, why should anyone bother to read it?

That's awfully able-ist isn't it? How do you know that the author is capable of communicating fluently in english? What if it were the case the the author was so excited about sharing a project but didn't know how to properly explained it and so took the extra effort to learn how to get a piece of software to explain it for them? Would that then satisfy your requirement that the human behind the project has done enou…

But AI provides the illusion of communication. Since the AI has no direct access to the user's brain, and has to go off the words they provide, if we're assuming that the person isn't capable generating words that accurately communicate their thoughts, the AI is getting all its information from the same flawed words we'd have access to if they didn't use AI, but destroying any signal encoded in the specific mistakes or choices they've made in its process of shaping their thoughts into something more polished.

AIs don't violate entropy, and can't create information from nothing. They can interpret, and expand, and maybe, just maybe, tease out meaning that a human would have missed. But the more sensitively they're tuned to pick up on small nuances, they more likely they're going to interpret a pattern that isn't there, and the more they're tuned to avoid over-interpretation, the more likely they are to miss something that is there, the same as how a human can aim to interpret something with high or low context.

The difference is, by filtering it through an AI, you're taking that capability out of other people's hands, you're (often intentionally) flattening and damaging signals people usually use to choose how to distribute their attention (often with the cry of "But it's not fair that people want to spend their attention on things that I'm not good at, I have to use AI to convince people to look at my work that they would prefer not to!!"), and when you do that without acknowledging the use of AI, it feels a lot like you don't care about any negative effects your actions have on the existing ecosystems of human creativity and communication, and you're going to get an appropriately hostile response.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by wolvoleo »

edelans wrote: post #51
wolvoleo wrote: post #41

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I just put that stuff into obsidian here. Only thing I miss are the birthday reminders but there's probably a plugin for that :)

oh interesting, I never thought about using my obsidian vault for that. Can you share a bit more about how you structure this and how you would recommend getting started ?

Well I just have a folder in obsidian and a template for friends. So I can fill in the various fields like address, names of kids/pets, things they like for when I need to buy a present etc.

The rest I just freeform.

But reminders would be nice.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

#85

Post by dolebirchwood »

dolebirchwood wrote: post #47
nullbyte808 wrote: post #14

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How do you know its AI? Who cares, sounds fine too me.

The avatars in the "testimonials" are all fakes by pravatar.cc, so take that into consideration. The site is bull shit.

I revisited the site and noticed that the testimonials section is now deleted. What a punk.

Please do not engage with this fraudulent clown-show of an app.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by lelanthran »

goodmythical wrote: post #80
lelanthran wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if someone can't bother to write something, why should anyone bother to read it?

That's awfully able-ist isn't it? How do you know that the author is capable of communicating fluently in english? What if it were the case the the author was so excited about sharing a project but didn't know how to properly explained it and so took the extra effort to learn how to get a piece of software to explain it for them? Would that then satisfy your requirement that the human behind the project has done enou…

> How do you know that the author is capable of communicating fluently in english?

Irrelevant; they can do the best they can and I'll do the best I can.

If the best they can do is have it ghost-written, then the best that I will do is not read it.

> What if it were the case the the author was so excited about sharing a project but didn't know how to properly explained it and so took the extra effort to learn how to get a piece of software to explain it for them?

That's not extra effort, that's less effort.

> Would that then satisfy your requirement that the human behind the project has done enough work to earn your interest?

Look, if someone isn't going to bother to write something, why would others bother to read it?

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by sebastiennight »

bko wrote: post #73
BoxFour wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite: Copy can signal that a real person spent time on the details and cared about the product. Auto-correct and speech-to-text still carry that idea. Even boring corporate PR language communicates something. It says the company wants to project stability and predictability, which can be reassuring. Slightly awkward, unpolished copy also sends a signal. It suggests a person speaking directly off-the-cuff rather…

> Auto-correct and speech-to-text still carry that idea Why? You didn't spend real time consulting a dictionary or using penmanship, since writing is often slower than speaking. You didn't do your own memory management? Wow, guess you don't care about the details. Used a compiler? Wow dude, please spend the time to actually build the product the right way. These are all levels of abstraction, the idea is the idea. Th…

> The copy is not the product

As someone who taught marketing for almost 2 decades, I've learned that if the copy does not bring in the people that the product wanted to help, then there might as well be no product.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by bananamogul »

bobbiechen wrote: post #31
listic wrote: post #28

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> This is a neat idea that has been tried about 300 times over Could you share the top 3 attempts that tried it and are better at it? I only know that things like this should exist, but didn't look any further into this class of things, yet. My idea of what to look into is some kind of CRM for my personal contacts.

Not sure if it's top 3, but I use Monica https://www.monicahq.com/ which does advertise itself as a personal CRM. I certainly underutilize its features but things like birthday reminders + a place for a few notes (where do they live again? who's their partner?) is nice

You can also self-host Monica, either via Docker or on metal if you're comfortable with Laravel.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by sebastiennight »

bko wrote: post #70
contagiousflow wrote: post #62

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> Writing copy is painfully time consuming I literally do not understand this sentiment. Do you not enjoy anything that takes time to do? Do you not enjoy putting time in for things that other people will look at? > I know it'll write better copy than me If this is the case I am desperately pleading with you to please read and write more. If you think the copy on this page is passable, let alone good, please read mor…

I like building apps, I don't necessarily like writing the same boilerplate BS for a necessary landing page for every app I make. Again, I'm not saying no one should write marketing copy, if that's your thing, go for it. Take your time, wordsmith. But for others they don't enjoy it or are not particularly good at it (i.e. English isn't someones first language). So let's be accepting and get over it. > If this is the…

> I'm not saying no one should write marketing copy, if that's your thing, go for it. Take your time, wordsmith. But for others they don't enjoy it or are not particularly good at it

The problem is that the generated "marketing copy" ends up being bland and ineffective (nobody "buys", so the copy fails at its single job) when using generalist LLM tools like eg. ChatGPT.

So in the end, you don't achieve the goal of "getting better copy" from it because neither version (neither the copy you'd have done naïvely without knowing anything about marketing, nor the LLM copy) converts anyone.

Re: Show HN: Poppy – A simple app to stay intentional with relationships

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Post by mahirhiro »

Firstly I just want to say thank you to all of you who took the time to comment/ download / review the app/ send me feedback. Positive or negative feedback this was pretty cool to receive.

This is the first app I built and it’s cool to see something which I initially built for myself resonates with other folks here!!

A few quick responses:

On the AI copy: Fair criticism. I did use LLMs to help structure some of the landing page text. Writing marketing copy is honestly not my strongest skill and I spent most of my time building the app itself. That said, the comments here made it clear the tone feels generic, which is the opposite of what the app is trying to do. I’ll probably rewrite a lot of it in a simpler, more direct voice.

On reminder fatigue: This was one of the main things I worried about when building it. A lot of apps in this space turn into “nagware.” My approach was: - You only add a small subset of contacts (not your whole address book). - you adjust the frequency to what feels comfortable and start muting or snoozing people as they either leave your circle in life, or you feel like it’s becoming annoying. Of course I’m open to feedback here!

On privacy: Everything lives locally on the device. No accounts, no backend. The app literally has no way for me to see your data. For something this personal, that felt like the only acceptable design.

Again I built it mostly because I personally struggle with the “out of sight, out of mind” problem with friends who don’t live nearby anymore. If it ends up useful to others, that’s a bonus, I’ve already gotten 500 downloads in my first day which is so cool because I had a target of 100, now my next target is 1000 (post bug fixes this weekend haha)

Really appreciate the bug reports and feature suggestions in this thread keep’em coming.

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