Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay • Hacker News Board

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by jrmg » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 1:48 AM UTC

wredcoll wrote: post #68

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…

> Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone sucks in this situation, except for the innocent bystanders on both sides who are being caught in the crossfire. Wow, what a daring and brave opinion. I'm in awe that you're willing to share it publically! Like, a bunch of my local social media bubble has been talking about "media literacy" and "illiteracy" and related concepts and this is a great example. If,…

In this and so many things now I fear that we’re discarding the idea that “it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by jrmg » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 1:50 AM UTC

nashashmi wrote: post #75

Police Open Fire as 50,000 Protest Outside Pretoria L.A. Times Archives Nov. 21, 1985 12 AM PT https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-11-21-mn-2106-s... Makes me recall a similar story happening in our times in the world. The headline does not mention "Black". [Security force] indiscriminately is killing. World says nothing.

It’s in Pretoria, South Africa, so the context would’ve been immediately obvious to anyone reading at the time.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by tclancy » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:02 AM UTC

muststopmyths wrote: post #4

Source or country of origin would be nice. “Opposition leader Aquino” in article without any other context could be confusing

Are you under the impression there were a lot of opposition news back in the day if one was just brave enjfffff?

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by komali2 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:17 AM UTC

qntmfred wrote: post #78

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With that same logic me objecting to Iraq War I supported Saddam’s terror regime. Just because you think Israel actions are bloody genocidal war crimes does not mean that Hamas terror is justified or that some guy in a wheel chair should be killed. Yes, there is some young people who seem to get all of their information from social media and have absolutely no understanding of what is happening - they support Hamas,…

do you have any suggestions for those who want to understand what this conflict feels for a regular Israeli just trying to live or Israelis 40 years ago today or 75 years ago or Palestinian Jews 100 years ago etc

Read diaries of anyone heteronormative living in a collapsing empire.

The Israeli experience is swayed heavily by decades of supremacist propaganda which is unfortunately becoming baked into the religion. I've had a surprising number of conversations with Israelis about politics that at some point involved them mentioning Israelis being "god's chosen people."

Even Israeli progressives have to couch opposition to war in desire to get the hostages back, or they'll face incredible social blowback. Not to mention those with religious oppositions to serving in the military are propagandized as "not contributing to Israeli society," since the only valid way to do that is commit violence on behalf of the State.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by watersb » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:26 AM UTC

mastazi wrote: post #77

JuniperMesos wrote: post #27

> For example, on Oct 7, 1985, Palestinian hijackers took over the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Reading this on a delay in 2025, the story unfolded over weeks: first they threw an American in a wheelchair overboard, then US fighter jets forced the escape plane to land, leading to a military standoff between US Navy SEALs and the Italian Air Force. Unbelievably, the US backed down, but the later diplomatic fallout led t…

I am Italian, that was one of the proudest moment in our history. The Achille Lauro episode was an example of Italy choosing what's best for the region rather than what's best for the people across the Atlantic. Hundreds of hostages' lives were saved by the actions of the Italian Government that day. For context, in the post WW2 era, hundreds of Italian civilians were killed in accidents caused by US military operati…

FWIW I was watching a warfare simulation game on YouTube yesterday, and the players were talking about the 1998 Cavalese cable. I remembered reports of it vividly; as a student pilot, one of my recurrent nightmares is of massive electrical cables everywhere, flying through that and trying to escape.

It was far worse for the people on that cable car. It was awful then and still awful now.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by Balgair » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:26 AM UTC

TrevorFSmith wrote: post #26

treetalker wrote: post #24

“To be completely cured of newspapers, spend a year reading the previous week’s newspapers.” ― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, The Bed of Procrustes: Philosophical and Practical Aphorisms

A similar result can be found by reading coverage of events you witnessed or topics you know well.

The classic Murray Gell-Mann amnesia effect

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by komali2 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:30 AM UTC

I feel like the implication here is "see, it's not so bad, the world didn't end, not a big deal!" But plenty of these articles describe small events that absolutely contributed to world changing, and often world degrading, things. For better or worse the collapse of the Soviet Union completely changed the world and I've heard compelling arguments this had consequences as faraway as the weakening of Unions in America and the subsequent degredation of labor protections. Or the fall of one of the three world lowers led to one becoming far too powerful (USA) rather than having a somewhat more balanced tri-hegemony.

There's articles about the ongoing conflict against Palestine, the failure to resolve which through choosing escalation of settling and apartheid we still obviously feel today and which led to tragedies such as 9/11 and Oct 7 having fertile grounds to occur.

We see the application of "Reaganomics" (neoliberalism) in Western democracies so we can watch real time as regulations are turned into tools of Capital or defanged to allow corporations to run rampant, the dismantling of labor protections, and the beginning of privatization.

If anything this just teaches the lesson of "no actually the things that are happening really do matter." I say that as someone that doesn't read the news and believes that that makes me much less stressed out than other people I know who daily read the news. But for me it's less about reading the news or not and more about accepting lost causes - for example, I see the USA as a lost cause for a comfortable and safe life for the duration of my lifetime, and so I left, and now I don't really care about internal politics there the same way I don't care about starving children in Africa - well of course I care in my heart but in my mind I don't stress day to day about it because what can I do other than the occasional donation? So too for daily suffering in America and so I don't read about it to uselessly add to my sadness or stress.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by komali2 » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:32 AM UTC

JuniperMesos wrote: post #27

> For example, on Oct 7, 1985, Palestinian hijackers took over the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Reading this on a delay in 2025, the story unfolded over weeks: first they threw an American in a wheelchair overboard, then US fighter jets forced the escape plane to land, leading to a military standoff between US Navy SEALs and the Italian Air Force. Unbelievably, the US backed down, but the later diplomatic fallout led t…

> From the perspective of 2025, I can't help but think about the people I know today getting vocally angry about Israeli violence in the Gaza strip

It's really just a question of if collective punishment is ethical, which I say it isn't, and whether genocide is ever justifiable, which I say it isn't.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by Aeolun » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:32 AM UTC

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #52

V__ wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is just my bubble, but the messaging I get is that Israel should stop murdering Palestinian civilians and not that Hamas is somehow righteous in their actions.

What I tend to see is mostly an overlooking of one side's actions while condemning the other side, with different people favoring different sides. So you have people who make excuses for Hamas like "they are just responding to an existential threat" while strongly condemning Israel, and people who make similar excuses for Israel while strongly condemning Hamas. Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone…

Ok, the big problem in this whole thing is assymetrical nature of the thing. The Israelli military is a military funded and shaped by the US one, and it’s a mammoth in all the ways that matter.

Hamas, after years of being supressed, is a group of militants with handguns.

The Isrealli response to those terrorist with guns killing and abducting some of their people, was to flatten and impose collective punishment on the whole country that those people came from.

I have no issues with them defending themselves, but I do with the disproportionate nature of what has been happening.

It’s especially ironic because the jews are one of the few people in the world that should have learned that lesson.

Re: Show HN: Forty.News – Daily news, but on a 40-year delay

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Post by Aeolun » Sun, Nov 23, 2025, 2:36 AM UTC

jrmg wrote: post #81

wredcoll wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personally I feel that there are no heroes and everyone sucks in this situation, except for the innocent bystanders on both sides who are being caught in the crossfire. Wow, what a daring and brave opinion. I'm in awe that you're willing to share it publically! Like, a bunch of my local social media bubble has been talking about "media literacy" and "illiteracy" and related concepts and this is a great example. If,…

In this and so many things now I fear that we’re discarding the idea that “it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”.

I’m not sure if I’d put the balance there, but certainly not at “it is better that a hundred innocents suffer than than one guilty person escapes”