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Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by cullenking »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #78
cullenking wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote you FYI, but to answer your question, I run ridewithgps and as a result have a pretty in depth understanding of all the costs involved. We have 14 machines in a rack at a datacenter in PDX, and have focused on low hosting costs since we have historically been bootstrapped and margin sensitive. Redundant switches, 2 firewall/load balancers, 4 compute machines, 3 database machines, 5 storage servers.…

I sincerely appreciate your serious answer to my serious question. I am quite surprised at all these costs considering that OSM is free, but you explained them very thoroughly and I am impressed. You have adequately justified the subscription requirement. This post, combined with the fact that your planner actually allows me to force a path has won me as a customer. I'll also note that setting your yearly at 75% of t…

Unfortunately we still have work to do there. We have dabbled in a separate map style, but it's really difficult to get any roadnames to show up when you start increasing font sizes in map styles. It's a sort of pick-your-poison - big maps where you can see the roads with almost no road names, or maps with smaller details with road names. The app itself should mostly scale well with increased system font sizes, but we are still carving out a couple of webviews in the app which have funky behavior. I do like to joke that with our average staff age passing 40 in the next year or two, we'll solve all readability issues....

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by rafram »

This may not be the site's problem, but why is the OSM map showing some place name labels in Gaelic? Montenegro is "Am Monadh Neagrach," Greece is "A' Ghrèig." Last I checked Gaelic is not a widely spoken language in either of those countries (and I'm nowhere near Scotland).

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by insane_dreamer »

Nicely done! I use Komoot and RidewithGPS, but this is a nice tool if you want to plan a route that relies on bike trails as much as possible.

Would be cool to also show the elevation for a given segment along with its distance (in the route trail list).

And maybe when you click on a segment in the map, it should highlight that segment in the trial list so you see the length of that segment.

I realize you're just using existing map data, but some bike routes seem to be broken up with very small (couple km) gaps (shown in grey) -- is that really the case? (see Loire a Velo 4 for example)

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by allg12 »

Hey everyone, I spotted a bug with the default routing profile. It was set to regular bike routing instead of the touring profile, even though the UI suggested otherwise (the Redux state didn’t match what was shown in the UI :D). I’ve fixed it, so it should work as expected now! Love your feedback, thanks so much! The project is in a very early stage so I didn't expect such a response.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by somic »

cullenking wrote: post #69

Nice work! I run ridewithgps.com and am responsible for all our mapping and routing. If you ever want to pick my brain about anything related to bike software, and of course grapphopper / vector tiles, feel free to reach out, email is in my profile. I'm actually about to dive into fixing up some custom graphhopper routing profiles today for some new route planner updates we are about to release!

I frequently use RWGPS for planning my bike rides but don't pay for it (yet!). Curious - is all routing done by graphhopper or do you have some secret sauce on your end? Also graphhopper web has regular bike mode and "racing bike", they tend to come up with different routes, wondering if it's incorporated on your side somehow or if there is a way to influence RWGPS algorithm to be more "road cycling" vs casual cycling (I think that's what graphhopper means by "racing").

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by wintermutestwin »

cullenking wrote: post #81
wintermutestwin wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sincerely appreciate your serious answer to my serious question. I am quite surprised at all these costs considering that OSM is free, but you explained them very thoroughly and I am impressed. You have adequately justified the subscription requirement. This post, combined with the fact that your planner actually allows me to force a path has won me as a customer. I'll also note that setting your yearly at 75% of t…

Unfortunately we still have work to do there. We have dabbled in a separate map style, but it's really difficult to get any roadnames to show up when you start increasing font sizes in map styles. It's a sort of pick-your-poison - big maps where you can see the roads with almost no road names, or maps with smaller details with road names. The app itself should mostly scale well with increased system font sizes, but w…

Well, at least you are aware and considering oldster eyes. Apple regularly makes incredibly bad UI choices that would be easy to avoid.

Serious cyclists tend to be on the older side…

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by cullenking »

somic wrote: post #85
cullenking wrote: post #69

Nice work! I run ridewithgps.com and am responsible for all our mapping and routing. If you ever want to pick my brain about anything related to bike software, and of course grapphopper / vector tiles, feel free to reach out, email is in my profile. I'm actually about to dive into fixing up some custom graphhopper routing profiles today for some new route planner updates we are about to release!

I frequently use RWGPS for planning my bike rides but don't pay for it (yet!). Curious - is all routing done by graphhopper or do you have some secret sauce on your end? Also graphhopper web has regular bike mode and "racing bike", they tend to come up with different routes, wondering if it's incorporated on your side somehow or if there is a way to influence RWGPS algorithm to be more "road cycling" vs casual cyclin…

We have an update to our web and mobile route planners coming out in the next month that adds more specific bike profiles, including paved/unpaved preferences and cycling infrastructure preferences. Maybe an MTB profile as well.

We use graphhopper for everything, with customized profiles. We add data to the weekly planet PBF files from the OSM project for additional routing data not present in OSM.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by allg12 »

givinguflac wrote: post #36

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I definitely want to get the mobile version up and running soon but it’s a lot of work to set everything up for this project especially since Im working solo. For a fully functional route planner, it would probably make more sense to build a React Native app instead of just a website.

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by insane_dreamer »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #55
qrohlf wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you're looking for paved or unpaved backroads, but if it's the latter I recently shipped a feature at my day job ( https://ridewithgps.com ) that highlights all unpaved backroads, visible up to zoom level 8 (above zoom 8 we start running into tile size/data limitations). May be useful to you or others in this thread. We lean pretty heavily into the "cycling power user" market segment, the feature set isn'…

A subscription? $10 a month?? That's the cost of a music streaming service!! I'd spend up to a $100 once on a killer tool that meets all my needs in this space. This subscription first crap is way out of hand.

Except that if you're a serious cyclist, spending $10/month on a really good road mapping service is worth more to you than spending $10/month on a music streaming service (or 2 coffees at Starbucks).

Re: Show HN: Bike route planner that follows almost only official bike trails

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Post by mvdtnz »

"Add new point" button doesn't do anything. Falls over at the very first hurdle. 3 error in the console,

        POST https://routes.trailimap.com/route/ 400 (Bad Request)

        Error fetching route from Graphhopper Error: Network response was not ok

        Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'paths')
    at g (page-c19a2a89477d3054.js:1:35496)
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