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Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Telegram would be a better choice as you can use multiple devices. You can retrieve old images/docs And it has an API for your bot that you can use to post content from anywhere.

WhatsApp lets you link multiple devices now - I have the same account on an android and spare iPhone.

The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices.

https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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> amazing private collection of your life stories I guess it's technically not "public" but then again it's shipping your most private thoughts to WhatsApp and an unknown person and "privacy" isn't mentioned on the landing page once. Personally I can recommend DayOne which is built by a trusted entity Automattic (Wordpress etc.) and they do have a big focus on privacy: https://dayoneapp.com/privacy-pledge/

I really wish otherwise great services would stop marketing with "military-grade encryption"

Having served in the military once upon a time, it always makes me chuckle. Now, I didn't do much related to information technology or security, but "unbreakable" is not a term I ever associated with military equipment.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Telegram would be a better choice as you can use multiple devices. You can retrieve old images/docs And it has an API for your bot that you can use to post content from anywhere.

WhatsApp lets you link multiple devices now - I have the same account on an android and spare iPhone. The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices. https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...

> The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices.

I’m trying to think of a rationale and really can’t. Any ideas?

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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I use Whatsapp often and one major issue I have with the app is how older media gets lost in the history, it's not retrievable anymore, you can only see the blurry thumbnail but downloading it again will not be possible. So until recently, I've considered everything I send on whatsapp as ephemeral unless I back it up. Also, is exporting possible? Let's say I would like to export all text / media to my pc, is that pos…

WhatsApp does seem to delete old media from their servers, but it should be available on your primary phone indefinitely until you delete it.

Any chance you’re accessing your messages from a different device and your main phone is offline?

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp lets you link multiple devices now - I have the same account on an android and spare iPhone. The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices. https://faq.whatsapp.com/378279804439436/?helpref=faq_conten...

> The main restrictions are that you have to use the main device every 14 days and can only have ~4 linked devices. I’m trying to think of a rationale and really can’t. Any ideas?

Due to the way WhatsApp does (person to person, not group) chat encryption, the number of messages scales linearly with the number of devices of either party to the conversation.

They probably want to put a cap on how much data/CPU the sending device has to expend per message.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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One can do note taking with self on Whatsapp. Quoting from whatsapp website ( https://faq.whatsapp.com/5913398998672934 ) > Use " rel="nofollow">https://wa.me/ where the is a full phone number in international format. Put your own number and you chat with yourself. Pin it to top, so it's always there. I use it to add information, search later use cases.

This has been out for a while now. But before this, what people used to do is create a group with just yourself as a member, and send messages there. You had to create a group with 2 people (yourself and someone else), and just remove them because it could not be done directly. And this could be used as notes or whatever. Right now I message myself but let's say if one wanted to maintain a separate chat for notes or…

You have more WhatsApp-savvy (or considerate) friends than me – I’ve had people text me notes before (because I’m pinned or otherwise on top of their chat list). “Just ignore please, but I’ll need this in a bit” :)

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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I use Whatsapp often and one major issue I have with the app is how older media gets lost in the history, it's not retrievable anymore, you can only see the blurry thumbnail but downloading it again will not be possible. So until recently, I've considered everything I send on whatsapp as ephemeral unless I back it up. Also, is exporting possible? Let's say I would like to export all text / media to my pc, is that pos…

WhatsApp does seem to delete old media from their servers, but it should be available on your primary phone indefinitely until you delete it. Any chance you’re accessing your messages from a different device and your main phone is offline?

I use Google photos on my phone so everything I send is not directly stored locally.

Whatsapp wasn’t like this before, it was when they introduced E2E that old media started to get lost.

If you want a groupchat with accessible history, whatsapp is not the place sadly.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WhatsApp does seem to delete old media from their servers, but it should be available on your primary phone indefinitely until you delete it. Any chance you’re accessing your messages from a different device and your main phone is offline?

I use Google photos on my phone so everything I send is not directly stored locally. Whatsapp wasn’t like this before, it was when they introduced E2E that old media started to get lost. If you want a groupchat with accessible history, whatsapp is not the place sadly.

WhatsApp never had persistent server-side storage. I believe they keep media binary blobs only for a few days after each recipient has downloaded them.

If you delete your local copy, that's arguably on you – there was never any promise that WhatsApp would be holding your media for re-downloads forever.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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Meta has access to the backups that are stored on each individual’s Google Drive/iCloud? How does that work exactly? Please elaborate.

> Meta has access to the backups that are stored on each individual’s Google Drive/iCloud? Why the surprise? Meta has access to the folder it manages in the user's Google Drive. That's obvious, otherwise they wouldn't be able to write to it.

The app uses the (i)phone OS’s cloud storage APIs to write to the backup folder, meta’s servers don’t have access to any credentials. For Android I currently can’t check, but it’s obvious from their FAQs that they have the app upload to Google‘s servers even if they don’t use the OS APIs there: https://faq.whatsapp.com/481135090640375/?cms_platform=andro...

They have indirect control over the user’s backup folder via the app, but meta would need to distribute a malicious update to everyone that causes the user’s apps to download the backup and send it to meta, at which point they could just skip trying to access the backup and directly upload the chats from the app.

It’s impressive how much misinfo you’re spreading.

Edit: Meta’s actions over the years clearly show that they don’t want to know the contents of your messages. Not knowing their contents means, for example, that they don’t have to run scanners to detect illegal content (but users can report messages). They benefit from making WhatsApp a secure platform, as it allows them to collect everyone’s metadata, which apparently has lots of value to them.

Re: Show HN: A journaling service that runs over WhatsApp

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It’s certainly not outrageous. It’s how people regularly find vulnerabilities in all kinds of closed-source software.

It certainly is for proving privacy claims. Even finding vulnerability by reverse engineering is to debunk security claims, not to strengthening it.

The topic has been e2ee, which is first and foremost about security. You can have e2ee without privacy, as is likely the case with WhatsApp.

You certainly can “prove” and “disprove” “security” by reverse engineering, to the same extent a source code review can (or even more, since you’re looking at what’s actually running on the device). It can often require a bigger time investment, but even that’s not always the case in my experience, especially if you’re working with a really bad code base.

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