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Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by piva00 »

wslh wrote: post #52
screye wrote: post #46

13 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...

What would the cost be for the same distance in other parts of the world? Even accounting for inefficiencies, do you have any data on that? A quick search seems to put SF at the top [1]. [1] https://pedestrianobservations.com/2020/09/13/the-costs-of-s...

In Stockholm there's a current ongoing expansion of the metro system, the blue line is being expanded towards Nacka to the east and to Bakarby on the northwest while connecting to the south on an expansion. A new line (yellow) is under construction, the green line is being expanded.

In total there are 18 new stations, digging under bodies of water (and quite deep through a lot of the blue line), total cost: around 5B€.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by black_13 »

Few of you attempt to contextualize the vast sum of 13 billion euros and others fixate on its magnitude without delving into the nuanced policy implications. This oversimplification, coupled with a lack of comprehensive understanding of EU dynamics and international tax law, leads to mischaracterizations of the situation as a "fine" rather than a ruling on back taxes. Also libertarian mindset manifests in various ways: skepticism towards government intervention and international governance, emphasis on corporate rights and freedom, and a tendency to reduce complex systems to simple narratives of overreach versus liberty. Notably absent from much of the discussion here are the wider ramifications for global tax policy, the delicate balance between attracting foreign investment and maintaining fair tax practices, and the potential impact on wealth inequality. The commentary also reveals a curious dynamic where Ireland, the supposed beneficiary, is reluctant to collect these taxes due to fears of losing foreign investment, a nuance lost on many commenters. Ultimately, while the discussion generates interesting points about the scale of corporate wealth and taxation, it often lacks the depth necessary to grapple with the complex legal, economic, and ethical issues at the heart of this case, highlighting the challenges of fostering informed public discourse on intricate matters of international finance and governance.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by a57721 »

dndn1 wrote: post #62
b0g0n wrote: post #57

TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'values') RuntimeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'values') Not working right for me

I use reactive Javascript which shows errors until a few pieces click together (best that I can understand it atm). So it's normal to have a string of errors and then everything works, but it should work in much less than 2s. I guess that can depend on a few things! Please let me know if waiting a bit still fails!

Not a JS dev, but I think proper reactive JS shouldn't do that.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by yywwbbn »

postcynical wrote: post #75
wslh wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the cost be for the same distance in other parts of the world? Even accounting for inefficiencies, do you have any data on that? A quick search seems to put SF at the top [1]. [1] https://pedestrianobservations.com/2020/09/13/the-costs-of-s...

13bln$ gets you a 35 mile tunnel thru the swiss alps. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel

I’d assume that drilling a tunnel under a mountain would be significantly cheaper than digging one in a densely inhabited city (in a seismically active area).

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by Rinzler89 »

electriclove wrote: post #71
amiga386 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ireland doesn't even want the 13 billion , because if it collects, it knows Apple will be looking for a new HQ and all the Apple jobs and payroll taxes and secondary economic activity will leave Ireland. Really, Ireland helped US companies evade tax, but the EU is just codifying this unfair advantage of Irish tax law as "state aid". The EU made Ireland close the "Double Irish" arrangement in 2015 ( https://en.wikiped…

Would Ireland consider leaving the EU?

Why would they consider that? If they do, Apple and all those companies would also leave since Ireland's EU membership is what kept them there. Withtout that their HQs there become worthless.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by timvdalen »

nottorp wrote: post #14

1 km of freeway is 10-40 million so 325-1300 km of freeway. 1 km of high speed train line is 20-60 million so 216-650 km of high speed train Ireland's healthcare spending was 22.3 Bn in 2023, so 13 Bn covers 7 months of healthcare for the country. I see the OP included "In € 2.24Bn National Childrens Hospitals? 5.8 National Childrens Hospitals" so they're on the right track. We're talking about state spending here so…

I think the point of the tablet was to compare it to giving pupils school materials.

Re: Show HN: How much is 13B euros?

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Post by 0points »

piva00 wrote: post #81
wslh wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the cost be for the same distance in other parts of the world? Even accounting for inefficiencies, do you have any data on that? A quick search seems to put SF at the top [1]. [1] https://pedestrianobservations.com/2020/09/13/the-costs-of-s...

In Stockholm there's a current ongoing expansion of the metro system, the blue line is being expanded towards Nacka to the east and to Bakarby on the northwest while connecting to the south on an expansion. A new line (yellow) is under construction, the green line is being expanded. In total there are 18 new stations, digging under bodies of water (and quite deep through a lot of the blue line), total cost: around 5B…

You mean 14,881 bike sheds.
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