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Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by sangnoir »

RobotToaster wrote: post #66
DeathArrow wrote: post #6

If we are already going down to that point, why not let AI fly commercial aircraft or drive nuclear power plants? What is the worst that can happen? IMO at this level that we reached AI does a lot of stupid things. I guess it will never be perfect and it's wrong to let it be in charge of high stakes domain. Use it for helping humans, yes, it can be a great tool. Let it take decisions? No, unless you are suicidal.

>why not let AI fly commercial aircraft Most commercial aircraft are already capable of taking off, flying, and landing, completely under computer control.

Computer control =/= AI. AFAIK, no certified aircraft has a model-based stochastic blackbox at the yoke.

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by chatmasta »

nemo44x wrote: post #38

Elon Musk was like the old man in 1980s horror movies warning anyone who’d listen that it’s not safe to go any further and everyone just sort of ignored it and laughed it off. Now we’re close to the part where some of our friends begin to go missing.

Elon Musk has spent a decade hooking AI up to vehicles capable of speeds in excess of 100mph, which seems more dangerous than giving them access to a Linux terminal inside a virtual machine. In fact, Musk's AI has probably killed more humans than anyone else's has, so it's kind of hilarious listening to him warn about the dangers of other people's AI.

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by mrtweetyhack »

RobotToaster wrote: post #60
gabereiser wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The closing of the open web is the only recourse companies have against scraper AI GPT’s. Openness is being exploited and techniques and trades will become closed again. In order to learn how to code in the next Vulkan API, you must work for a studio, is not a world I want to live in.

With remote work how will they know they aren't hiring an AI?

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Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by CSSer »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #74
CSSer wrote: post #19

Yeah, so my first thought was this is fucking terrifying. I'm not going to go so far as to suggest that in its current state this is anything like Skynet as some others have, but I would definitely agree that it's akin to handing a loaded gun to a monkey. Imagine it's five years from now and your morning consists of trying to track down the owner of some "AI server" to understand why it keeps DDoSing your service. ED…

Have you read Charlie Stross' Accelerando? It's simultaneously exhilarating and terrifying.

I haven’t, but thank you for sharing. You just introduced me to the concept of a technological singularity.

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by rolenthedeep »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #75
rolenthedeep wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In an age where being human is an important part of the job, why would anyone allow remote employees at all?

If an entity can do the job would an employer care whether it was silicon based or meat based?

That's the big problem.

Historically, machines replaced humans in nearly every job at an astounding rate. Machines are almost always much faster and cheaper than humans, and there's almost no incentive for a business to not take that savings. It hasn't even been that much of a problem until very recently.

Now we have vast swathes of our economy in jobs that we considered "safe" from being automated from underneath us. Suddenly these LLMs appear and offer a very credible threat that a large number of these jobs will be automated in the very near future. Coupled with current social and political issues, a lot of people are going to suffer greatly.

The next couple of decades are going to be a mess. If we automate too much too fast, we'll have to actually figure out what to do with an enormous population of unemployed people. Maybe we'll finally figure out social welfare, or invest in sweeping New Deal type projects.

It's certainly going to be interesting, but god damn am I tired of living in interesting times.

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by nemo44x »

chatmasta wrote: post #82
nemo44x wrote: post #38

Elon Musk was like the old man in 1980s horror movies warning anyone who’d listen that it’s not safe to go any further and everyone just sort of ignored it and laughed it off. Now we’re close to the part where some of our friends begin to go missing.

Elon Musk has spent a decade hooking AI up to vehicles capable of speeds in excess of 100mph, which seems more dangerous than giving them access to a Linux terminal inside a virtual machine. In fact, Musk's AI has probably killed more humans than anyone else's has, so it's kind of hilarious listening to him warn about the dangers of other people's AI.

That’s a good point I hadn’t considered.

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by jareklupinski »

withinboredom wrote: post #72
drewolbrich wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please use this approach for something more constructive, like designing an FTL drive.

I mean, if you’re going to use an AI to invent time travel, do you really think the AI is going to give it to you? More likely to pull a Singularity Sky… ———————— I am the Eschaton. I am not your God. I am descended from you, and exist in your future. Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else

shakes fist it's my light cone when I'm standing in it!

Re: Show HN: Aquarium – AI Controlled Containers

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Post by ilaksh »

The worrying thing for me is that the comments here prove that people in no way understand what an actual potentially dangerous AI looks like. And that ignorance is what will lead to AI taking over the planet sooner rather than later.

The real concern is going to be with fully autonomous superintelligent cognitive agents that emulate all sorts of other animal/human characteristics such as emotions and survival instincts. GPT 3/4 are not autonomous. They will only do what the users instruct them to do. They do not have their own goals etc. They have general intelligence but we are anticipating models with easily 10-1000 X more intelligence in only a few years.

But many groups are working as fast as they can to build full autonomy and even trying to emulate other human and animal characteristics with the apparent intent to create digital people and enslave them. Based on the conflation of general purpose intelligence with the other animal traits like autonomy, emotions, survival, etc.

Within only a few years, GPT-X powered VMs will be considered very basic tools that only the most conservative users adhere to out of concerns about AIs that have 100 times the cognitive power and near full autonomy and sophisticated cognitive architecture.

But people need to worry about the sophisticated cognitive architectures being designed for autonomy. Not relatively simple tools that just follow directions and have a lot of tuning for that. In fact, it's quite possible that this type of system in a commercial service will be generally considered much safer than traditional VMs, because they can be equipped with instructions to disable accounts when even a hint of malfeasance is detected. Whereas giving people direct access to the machine does not allow that AI filtering.

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