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Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by jeroenhd »

Veen wrote: post #75
l5t wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes 40% of your doctor time to put his notes in your medical records. We have been testing with doctors to reduce this time drastically so that they can spend more quality time with you. We also interviewed a lot of patients who take notes to be able to remember what’s been discussed during a consultation. So it could also benefit the patient

Your response completely ignores the concerns raised in the comment you are replying to. "It saves your doctor 40% of their time" is not a reasonable response to "I don't want my private medical details divulged to a third party".

Perhaps avoiding commenting on patient privacy concerns may be a better answer than any evasive answer may ever be.

Their website's privacy policy doesn't say anything about their product. It's also incorrect (they seem to have switched tracking providers without updating their privacy policy). I would quote the sections that are incorrect, but their terms and conditions forbid copying any content from their site. Their T&C also forbids me from linking to their page or terms.

I very much doubt that using this product as advertised is even legal under the GDPR. The company is French and health data, even pseudonymized, is strictly regulated. The "demo" doesn't feature any explicit consent at the very least.

It looks like they're making all privacy risks and concerns the doctors' problems. After all, they're the ones violating the law when they use this product.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by nharada »

urduntupu wrote: post #12

Technically interesting but solving the wrong problem. Doctor's already today spent too little time with their patients to understand diseases holistically enough. Adding technically between these 2 will make treatments in most of the cases worse, not better.

> solving the wrong problem

You seem quite confident about this, but based on the doctors I know writing notes is a real pain and mostly seen as (important) scutwork. They're only given a set amount of time to see a patient (including notes), and if you can reduce notes they'd actually get more time talking and seeing the patient.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by gigel82 »

What is OpenAI's privacy policy? How do you ensure the transcription doesn't get stored by OpenAI or used in training their future LLM versions?

I'd recommend looking at a fully self-hosted LLM alternative or ensuring the GPT-3 endpoint you're using is compliant (I've heard Azure has a GPT-3 API that is supposedly more "compliant").

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by anhner »

burntcookie90 wrote: post #76
l5t wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes 40% of your doctor time to put his notes in your medical records. We have been testing with doctors to reduce this time drastically so that they can spend more quality time with you. We also interviewed a lot of patients who take notes to be able to remember what’s been discussed during a consultation. So it could also benefit the patient

> that they can spend more quality time with you Maybe its just the doc offices i've been to, but i think this would actually just increase the patient churn in a hospital. There's no way a doc is going to increase their patient time by the 40% saved if the hospital can toss them in front of another patient.

It's definetly not just you... Tho that may still be a plus considering the shortage of doctors in a lot of countries. But the privacy concerns still remain.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by avgDev »

jeroenhd wrote: post #81
Veen wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response completely ignores the concerns raised in the comment you are replying to. "It saves your doctor 40% of their time" is not a reasonable response to "I don't want my private medical details divulged to a third party".

Perhaps avoiding commenting on patient privacy concerns may be a better answer than any evasive answer may ever be. Their website's privacy policy doesn't say anything about their product. It's also incorrect (they seem to have switched tracking providers without updating their privacy policy). I would quote the sections that are incorrect, but their terms and conditions forbid copying any content from their site. Th…

At least in US this company would responsible for violating the law. Not only the physician.

I honestly have no idea how these products are even developed. Does nobody think about any laws at all? This is something I really hate about the current state of "hustle" development.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Post by 1123581321 »

JohnFen wrote: post #71

As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the first place, and I wouldn't trust the results of the transcription to be correct. My doctor could vet it for accuracy, I suppose, but why? He's already putting his notes in my records anyway.

Most people doing a video meeting with their doctor are already trusting their information to third parties in some way. I understand that you probably are in a different situation. Perhaps services like these are on the path to your more privacy-oriented doctor having a tool that helps them and is comfortable for knowledgeable patients.
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