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Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by mwcampbell »

willcipriano wrote: post #59
arcturus17 wrote: post #47

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If software does not solve problems, what are you getting paid for, exactly? For the weight of the line of code?

What is a plumber paid for? You tell him you'd like a sink installed somewhere and he installs it. He isn't paid more if the sink is used to wash the hands of surgeons operating on orphans or never used it all. He is paid on the basis of, you want a sink and he knows how to install them.

It seems to me that doing things on demand with no regard for purpose should be the domain of machines, not humans. Of course, robotics isn't yet advanced enough to allow us to meet that ideal in the physical world. But in the software world, the demand for programmers that merely crank out glue code, without understanding or caring about what it's for, should shrink, if it's not already.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by taylodl »

dagw wrote: post #77
dotancohen wrote: post #75

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There exist professional mechanics, and there exist oil-change technicians. The professional mechanic has literally hundreds of tools, of dozens of different types. The oil-change tech has maybe a dozen tools that he uses in an average week. The professional mechanic studies his craft and learns about suspension, brakes, engines, transmissions, electrical, fuel delivery, spark delivery, sensors, ecus, interior parts…

At the same time, I'm sure there are mechanics that love Ferrari, know everything about every Ferrari ever made and don't want a job where they don't get to work on Ferrari's. I wouldn't see that as sign of lack of professionalism.

I think it's more like a professional mechanic wouldn't be happy being oil change technician. A professional mechanic may love Ferrari's, but also jump on the chance to work on Porsches if that means working on a GT Racing team.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by willcipriano »

mwcampbell wrote: post #81
willcipriano wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a plumber paid for? You tell him you'd like a sink installed somewhere and he installs it. He isn't paid more if the sink is used to wash the hands of surgeons operating on orphans or never used it all. He is paid on the basis of, you want a sink and he knows how to install them.

It seems to me that doing things on demand with no regard for purpose should be the domain of machines, not humans. Of course, robotics isn't yet advanced enough to allow us to meet that ideal in the physical world. But in the software world, the demand for programmers that merely crank out glue code, without understanding or caring about what it's for, should shrink, if it's not already.

I know why they are doing what they are doing, I'm just not paid for it. If I was paid by value produced rather than my skills I'd demand far greater control of the business, complete transparency and would refuse tasks that don't generate sufficient value. That just isn't the relationship most companies want, they would like to dictate what I work on and pay a flat rate for it. You can't have it both ways.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by dagw »

taylodl wrote: post #30

I feel like this is completely backwards. To me this feels like 'I love using this kind of hammer so let me find all the jobs where I can use this hammer I love to use.' I'm actually not interested (at least not primarily interested) in that. I'm more interested in what are you building? What problems are you solving? I'd rather search by that and then see what their tech stack looks like and filter down to the ones…

To me this feels like 'I love using this kind of hammer so let me find all the jobs where I can use this hammer I love to use.'

Most craftsmen and artists I know are very particular about their tools and much prefer using their own tools that they've lovingly maintained and gotten to know all the quirks of rather than some random tool someone hands them.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by taylodl »

FourHand451 wrote: post #62
mettamage wrote: post #58

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> Focusing on technology feels like putting the cart before the horse. Every language has its own ecosystem, its own frameworks, its own culture its own set of "best practices". Good luck learning them all.

I don't think they're saying they can learn them all. Just the next one, if it can be applied to an interesting problem.

Correct. The languages I learn outside of my day job are languages that teach me new ways of thinking about problems: Lisp and Haskell are two that come to mind. Do I expect to get a job where these languages are used? No. I learned them because it gave me insights for becoming better at my craft. It makes me better at solving problems using the languages actually being used where I work.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by lkxijlewlf »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #70
lkxijlewlf wrote: post #34

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> I feel like this is completely backwards. To me this feels like 'I love using this kind of hammer so let me find all the jobs where I can use this hammer I love to use.' I'm actually not interested (at least not primarily interested) in that. I'm more interested in what are you building? What problems are you solving? Same for me. I can learn whatever tech stack you're using (if need be). I want to know about your…

But tech stack requirements sit right there in job descriptions. It's about matching.

I generally disregard those requirements if it's a job/domain/business I find interesting. Current gig had requirements I didn't have. And now we have completely different ones from when I was hired.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by Existenceblinks »

lkxijlewlf wrote: post #86
Existenceblinks wrote: post #70

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But tech stack requirements sit right there in job descriptions. It's about matching.

I generally disregard those requirements if it's a job/domain/business I find interesting. Current gig had requirements I didn't have. And now we have completely different ones from when I was hired.

It's not well-known nor standard, maybe companies should change how they write job description.

Re: Show HN: Find companies with jobs using technologies you love

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Post by Existenceblinks »

taylodl wrote: post #80
Existenceblinks wrote: post #70

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But tech stack requirements sit right there in job descriptions. It's about matching.

Yes they do, but the question is should they? What role should they be playing?

They shouldn't, though they have few choices. They don't want to admit they chose the wrong tools for the problems, and can we disagree with them .. generally.
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