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Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by lovasoa »

yanjost wrote: post #73
lovasoa wrote: post #54

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I don't think the status counts as medical information. It is an indication of whether you will participate to the event or not. Not participating may mean that you didn't want to participate, or that you didn't have a valid health pass. The database doesn't allow you to make the difference between the two. Otherwise, any guest list would now be "medical information".

In fact you are processing health data because you decode the QR code. Therefore you must implement HDS valid data treatments and policy

The HDS policy is for hosting health data, if I understand it correctly.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

lovasoa wrote: post #79
lovasoa wrote: post #77

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The list of participants to a sport competition has never been considered medical data (the CNIL even mentions that explicitly), even though it correlates with your medical status: you have not to be handicapped and to be healthy to run a marathon for instance. In our case, the correlation is even thinner: a yes in the database means that you have been EITHER tested OR vaccinated, and a no means that you either haven…

@mytailorisrich : How is it different from the attendance to a sport event for which you need a medical certificate ? In addition to the added privacy, sanipasse has a very practical advantage: for event organizers, they don't have to scan the passes anymore, and for guests, they can validate their pass ahead of time, at home, instead of waiting in line for someone else to scan their pass at the entry of the event.

Medical certificates for sport events are very French... But the point is that they don't provide any medical data, they just state that the person is fine (in very general terms) performing that activity. For instance if you plan to go diving your GP will ask you a few questions and examine you then in effect write down "Sure, no problem".

Here you have a piece of information that very specifically says that persons is negative to Covid or vaccinated. Perhaps its does not say which one it is but my understanding is these are both medical piece of data anyway.

That's why I think this is very different. It's like if the only criterion for diving was being HIV negative. If a driving instructor was provided with a medical certificate that said "Sure, no problem" in that case it would be the same as getting the HIV test status of that person.

In that respect, the advantage of scanning the QR code is that there is no need to store sensitive data anywhere but within the QR code itself, which remains under the control of the individual. I think this is actually one consideration for deciding to implement the system that way.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by lovasoa »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #82
lovasoa wrote: post #79

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@mytailorisrich : How is it different from the attendance to a sport event for which you need a medical certificate ? In addition to the added privacy, sanipasse has a very practical advantage: for event organizers, they don't have to scan the passes anymore, and for guests, they can validate their pass ahead of time, at home, instead of waiting in line for someone else to scan their pass at the entry of the event.

Medical certificates for sport events are very French... But the point is that they don't provide any medical data, they just state that the person is fine (in very general terms) performing that activity. For instance if you plan to go diving your GP will ask you a few questions and examine you then in effect write down "Sure, no problem". Here you have a piece of information that very specifically says that persons…

> they don't provide any medical data, they just state that the person is fine performing that activity

It's the same with the "validated" boolean information. It does not provide more medical data, it just validates the absence of risk of you participating.

Not having HIV is obviously not required to go scuba diving because it is completely unrelated. But for shooting in certain kinds of movies for instance, you do need to test negative to HIV. And the list of actors in the movie is not considered "medical data".

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by SpaceNinja »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #17
SpaceNinja wrote: post #12

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Do you think governments are going to give up their power after implementing digital passes?

Yes. There is no reason for people to keep being tested all the time for Covid if/when that is no longer a risk. Once/if the risk has passed this will all stop because there is neither a justification nor value for governments to continue. It's a little paranoid to claim that governments are continuously trying to create totalitarian states. Or that, in any case, they can do what they want, they can't. We already see…

There is evidence of governments using power beyond their intended use to create totalitarian states.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by frenchman99 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #10
iamarealperson wrote: post #2

I find the principle of a "health pass" a little disturbing. Do we want to live in a society where we have to prove something about our health in order to attend events ?

Yes. Are you familiar with what public health is? Such restrictions are so people are encouraged to get vaccinated. Taking something away so far is most effective way to convince people.

That's not what "convincing" is. That's "coercing".

If you want to convince, do it with data and logic, not by taking away rights.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by highmastdon »

elcomet wrote: post #42
preordained wrote: post #41

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Yellow fever is debilitating at a very high rate...

Covid is highly lethal for some category of people..

Which properties define that category? Edit: the weak and frail, the ones with multiple comorbidities (avg 4)? The ones that are vulnerable for any virus in general?

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by carstenhag »

WayToDoor wrote: post #31
carstenhag wrote: post #29

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In Germany this paper is just that, a paper. It has 0 safety measurements. You can get blank ones for cheap, via the internet or your doctor. From Biontech or the other vaccine manufacturers you can get the blank charge number thingies which you can then stick onto the paper. You have to fake a signage but nobody can tell whether it's fake or not.

Then can it really be trusted at a time when people fake vaccination cards in the US, lie about COVID and don't even wear masks ?

The paper one: nope. The digital one: Supposedly yes, you can trust it, but there needs to be a way for already-vaccinated people to get the digital one. And how that is verified... well... not clear yet, but likely via the physical one.
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