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Re: Show HN: A Latin self study course, Khan Academy-style

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If someone is interested in learning a new language for the hell of it, however your school days of learning that Caecilius was sitting in the garden fills you with dread, a really cool alternative is Lojban. It is a completely unambiguous language created by the Logical Language Group and has some pretty interesting elements that sit between software and non-computational linguistics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…

I won't stop anyone from learning anything they find interesting, and Logban is probably easier to learn. However I wouldn't recommend in general that anyone learn a constructed language. Learn the languages that people actually speak, they are much harder to learn, but in return you can actually talk to people, which is the point of learning a language. That is instead of two people learning some weird language why…

This view is a little strange in a thread where the alternative is learning Latin. With Latin, too, you typically have to go to conventions in order to encounter other speakers...

I've participated in many spoken Latin events (and loved them), but they were akin to conlang events in that every single person was a non-native speaker, and the majority were not fully fluent. Following the view which I think I took from Ghil'ad Zuckermann (I don't know whether he would phrase it this way) that revived languages like Modern Hebrew are akin to conlangs, it seems that at least the way I speak Latin is akin to the way I speak conlangs -- great reliance on explicit knowledge, little influence from my own or others' native speaker intuition.

Another difficulty is the "period speech" issue

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/771:_Period_Speec...

where most Latin speakers are happy to use vocabulary from any period almost interchangeably, even though native speakers wouldn't have.

On the other hand, even if you don't get access to spoken communication with (almost) any new people (I have only once in my life spoken Latin with another person who didn't also speak English), you do get access to millennia of "Latinity" and a perspective on the origins of modern European languages (even the non-Romance ones because of pervasive borrowings).

I want to say that every language is a world and opens new horizons of thought and culture. For conlangs, those horizons may be kind of shockingly minuscule, but they're still there. Even with the intentional extreme limitations of my favorite conlang, toki pona, I've had the experience on rare occasion of feeling like something was easier or clearer for me to express in toki pona than in my native English. But yes, learning modern languages has paid much huger dividends in being able to communicate with hundreds of millions of new people and participate to some limited extent in very vibrant cultures...

Edit: in the specific case of Esperanto there's a widely-held but controversial theory that it helps prepare people for the experience of learning other languages, maybe by helping them develop some grammatical concepts or practice certain language-learning skills.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaedeutic_value_of_Esperant...

I actually find this less plausible than I used to (it seems like many of the grammatical concepts you get from Esperanto won't map that well onto other languages), but some experiments with this did show positive results.

Re: Show HN: A Latin self study course, Khan Academy-style

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As an aside, I'd like to recommend to people the Cambridge Latin Course ( https://www.cambridgescp.com/ ) This was the course I followed learning Latin in school. Whilst it may be tailored more towards a school audience, much of the content of their books is available for free online, which includes lots of translation and vocabulary practice. The books and stories are all very light-hearted and fun and teach a lot a…

I believe the other popular suggestion is Ørberg's Lingua Latīna : * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_%C3%98rberg

Yes! Orberg's is neat in that it's all in Latin, and you just infer what everything means from the pictures as you read.

I got referred to it from this earlier HN thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14448974

Re: Show HN: A Latin self study course, Khan Academy-style

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I've recently come across Latin as I was reading "The Well-Trained Mind" by Susan Wise Bauer. It's a book describing how to provide a "classical education" to kids at home. (I'm homeschooling my two young kids this year and reading everything I can about how to homeschool.)

The author strongly recommends having the kids learn Latin. In case anyone is interested, some resources/curricula for homeschooling Latin she mentions in the book include Prima Latina, Latina Christiana, Song School Latin, Latin for Children, The Big Book of Lively Latin, The Latin Road to English Grammar, and Latin Alive!.

Anyone have experience/thoughts/opinions on teaching their kids Latin? Or even learning Latin as a kid?

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When you're learning latin, it's usually not mainly about the practical application, anyway, and aesthetically it feels somehow so much more pleasing to use the “correct” pronunciation - to me at least. Furthermore it can help to understand historic and linguistic relationships in unexpected ways: For example the German word for emperor “Kaiser” looks very different to the Latin “Caesar” and the relationship between…

Aren't the "s" and the "s" different, though? And the "r" and the "r"?

It's pretty dang close for 2100 years!

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I've recently come across Latin as I was reading "The Well-Trained Mind" by Susan Wise Bauer. It's a book describing how to provide a "classical education" to kids at home. (I'm homeschooling my two young kids this year and reading everything I can about how to homeschool.) The author strongly recommends having the kids learn Latin. In case anyone is interested, some resources/curricula for homeschooling Latin she me…

Not really "as a kid" but I had Latin for a couple years in high school.

Pro I guess is that it lets you read some classical literature although in 2 years I never got remotely proficient. In some ways it's easier than a modern language because you're mostly learning to read.

Con is mostly the obvious. You could be spending the time learning a modern language. (I also took 4 years of high school French. Never got very proficient in that either. It helps a bit when I visit France but I never spent enough time living it to get good.)

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As an aside, I'd like to recommend to people the Cambridge Latin Course ( https://www.cambridgescp.com/ ) This was the course I followed learning Latin in school. Whilst it may be tailored more towards a school audience, much of the content of their books is available for free online, which includes lots of translation and vocabulary practice. The books and stories are all very light-hearted and fun and teach a lot a…

Ecce Romani gets no love despite the exciting saga of the main characters being stuck in a ditch for half a book.

I have many fond memories of learning Latin with Ecce Romani. Raeda in fossa est, whatever will they do?

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I've recently come across Latin as I was reading "The Well-Trained Mind" by Susan Wise Bauer. It's a book describing how to provide a "classical education" to kids at home. (I'm homeschooling my two young kids this year and reading everything I can about how to homeschool.) The author strongly recommends having the kids learn Latin. In case anyone is interested, some resources/curricula for homeschooling Latin she me…

timthorn in a thread below suggested http://www.minimus.com/ for young kids and https://classroom.thenational.academy/subjects-by-key-stage/... for older ones

Re: Show HN: A Latin self study course, Khan Academy-style

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I've recently come across Latin as I was reading "The Well-Trained Mind" by Susan Wise Bauer. It's a book describing how to provide a "classical education" to kids at home. (I'm homeschooling my two young kids this year and reading everything I can about how to homeschool.) The author strongly recommends having the kids learn Latin. In case anyone is interested, some resources/curricula for homeschooling Latin she me…

I took a few years of Latin as a kid. I remember that I enjoyed learning about Ancient Rome, but realized I didn't want to sink hundreds of hours learning a language just to read some old books.

I ended up spending a few years studying Spanish in college, I'm reasonably conversational now and met my wife, who's from Puerto Rico, in the process.

Even if my wife wasn't Puerto Rican, I would teach my kids Spanish. Grammatically it's far easier than Latin and will connect them with culture and millions of speakers that are alive today.

Re: Show HN: A Latin self study course, Khan Academy-style

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I believe the other popular suggestion is Ørberg's Lingua Latīna : * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_%C3%98rberg

I thought the common suggestion for a modern Latin textbook is Wheelock. https://www.amazon.com/Wheelocks-Latin-7th/dp/0061997226#

From my own casual investigations, Wheelock is considered a perfectly good textbook (particularly for people with lots of experience learning languages, e.g. grad students in the humanities), but also a bit "traditional," focusing more on learning grammatical rules and less on developing an intuition for the language. Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata is at the other, "immersion"-oriented end of the spectrum.
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