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Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

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Lead developer here. Ameelio is a non-profit that's building free technology to transform corrections and criminal justice. We've recently launched Letters, our first application that lets loved-ones of incarcerated individuals send physical mail for free. Currently, the situation is that two corporations own communication throughout the prisons and jails in the U.S (Global Tel Link and Securus). They charge ridiculo…

The prices charged by Securus and other 3rd party services provided to jails are ridiculous and predatory. Competition would be great but I’m not sure they will allow it to happen without a fight.

They make so much money and portions of that money are shared with the jails the pessimist in me doesn’t see there ever being a free option for instant communication. I appreciate the effort and I think this space has a lot of room for improvement. Godspeed!

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#83

Lead developer here. Ameelio is a non-profit that's building free technology to transform corrections and criminal justice. We've recently launched Letters, our first application that lets loved-ones of incarcerated individuals send physical mail for free. Currently, the situation is that two corporations own communication throughout the prisons and jails in the U.S (Global Tel Link and Securus). They charge ridiculo…

The prices charged by Securus and other 3rd party services provided to jails are ridiculous and predatory. Competition would be great but I’m not sure they will allow it to happen without a fight. They make so much money and portions of that money are shared with the jails the pessimist in me doesn’t see there ever being a free option for instant communication. I appreciate the effort and I think this space has a lot…

What do you think are the best strategies to win that fight?

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#84

I'm Jenny, and I am currently the Growth and Social Media Manager in Ameelio. We've been working hard to reach out to different organizations that work with incarcerated people and immigration detention centers to further spread the influence we can have, alleviating burdens - financial, emotional, and physical - that family members feel. The Ameelio Ambassadors has been a great help towards spreading the word. They…

You should get in touch with Unloop in Seattle - they teach programming in prison and have a small freelance dev shop staffed by people who went through their program. https://www.un-loop.org/

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#85

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We don't need to restrict inmates free speech as conspiring to murder someone is already illegal.

You probably want to at least monitor their communications though; there is essentially no right to privacy for prisoners unless they are communicating with counsel. That means restricting the types of communication they can use (if only for practical reasons). I think most people would agree we all want to avoid scenarios like this: "Inside rolls of razor-wire fence, behind a network of heavy metal doors, locked alo…

It seems your fundamental premise that is that since a few prisoners are very risky, we should impose extremely harsh measures on all of them regardless of what got them in there the first place. Is that right?

That's a problematic viewpoint because the same argument can apply to any free person today: "some people in this neighborhood committed some crimes a while ago so let's keep an extra eye on those in the zipcode. Maybe wiretap their houses and restrict communication."

Will that sit well with you?

Those who profit off the prison industrial complex and those who simply hate certain populations want you to believe that our prisons are full of extremely violent people who should be dehumanizing and taken from society as punishment. A lot of people are there because they had the wrong skin color, got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, are truly innocent, got thrown in jail for a harmless "crime" like having weed, etc.

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

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> Nearly one in two Americans has a family member who is either currently or formerly incarcerated. > 34% of families with a loved one in prison are sent into debt by the cost of maintaining contact. Can you add links to the sources for these stats? They just sound unreal and I'd like to understand better how the cost of maintaining contact becomes so high.

Hi, this is Zo (co-founder).

"Nearly one in two Americans has a family member who is either currently or formerly incarcerated."

Source: Cornell University & Fwd.us study

https://www.fwd.us/news/groundbreaking-report-half-of-all-u-...

"34% of families with a loved one in prison are sent into debt by the cost of maintaining contact."

Sources: https://nyti.ms/35qNlNZ; http://whopaysreport.org/executive-summary/

Here are some additional sources on the exorbitant costs loved ones of the incarcerated face:

NYTimes: https://nyti.ms/3aVrqzD

Marshall Project: https://bit.ly/2y95Avf

Wired: https://bit.ly/2xsGRBJ

Prison Policy Initiative: https://bit.ly/3d3DtMw

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#87

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Honest question, because I have no idea how this all works: if people can just send letters for the cost of a stamp then why do they use Global Tel Link or Securus? Really great thing you're doing here, I hope it all works out.

If you think the letter prices are bad, try: - $3.15/15 mins for a domestic phone call - $15/20 mins video call/teleconference if your jail/prison has them and you/someone else are willing to fork out that much (You may be there a while and so have to stretch whatever money you have left as far as possible) - I don't even want to know how much for an international call - $1 for a single pack of ramen - $5 for a 5oz b…

>US Justice system is a nightmare.

I would stop calling it a justice system, we have a legal system for which any "justice" is by pure coincidence

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#88
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First I'd like to thank you for the comment. You made me realize a mistake I made in mentioning JPay and Securus when I meant to say Global Tel Link and Securus. As far as pushback from other companies, we haven't received any so far. There's nothing they can really do besides make their services more appealing. Currently, with Letters (our first app), it allows users to sign up, add their contacts (inmates), and the…

"One type of pushback we can receive is from facilities themselves. One facility returned one of our letters and said that you can't have anything in the letter that could be some form of encrypted message or symbol. In our case, that happened to be the bar code used by the third party service to manage their letters." Here is example of bad scenario which I sincerely hope will never happen. Anything containing image…

The steganography your talking about really only works in digital formats, not printed

in this case "code messages" can be just as easily hidden in the text of the letter (in fact probably easier) then in the printed out image

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need to restrict inmates free speech as conspiring to murder someone is already illegal.

You probably want to at least monitor their communications though; there is essentially no right to privacy for prisoners unless they are communicating with counsel. That means restricting the types of communication they can use (if only for practical reasons). I think most people would agree we all want to avoid scenarios like this: "Inside rolls of razor-wire fence, behind a network of heavy metal doors, locked alo…

> a high-ranking gang leader directed accomplices in Georgia

Small world! I knew a couple of the people that carried out this kidnapping, as well as the FBI agents on the other side of it. Jakym Tibbs, aka Jak, got 52 years, and Jevante Price, aka ATL aka Flame, got 20 years. Played a lot of chess with both guys. Melton, the gang leader that ordered the kidnapping and was directing the kidnappers to murder and dismember the victim, was already serving a life sentence when this occurred. They moved him to ADX Florence after this happened.

Re: Show HN: Ameelio.org – Free Prison Communication Platform

#90

It's sad that as a society we've allowed those who are serving their time to be exploited, but this is a good way to fight back, and hopefully make exploitation of the imprisoned a less lucrative market for unscrupulous actors.

Exactly my thoughts! Really, we shouldn't have prisons at all, or any against-one's-will system. Just take a look at Chicago. With the new attorney general, they've made it a policy to "go easy" on the violent crimes. The bottom line is: no one should be in prison, regardless of the "crime".

>Really, we shouldn't have prisons at all, or any against-one's-will system

Then what do you suggest we do with people who are harming people or their property? Speak firmly at them? For pretty much all of human history you have had three options for those who damage peace and society ... death, exile, and jail.

Exile isn't really an option anymore so that leaves death and jail...

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