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Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by koheripbal »

onyva wrote: post #70

Israel is probably one of the few countries other than the USA were LGBTQ+ people were attacked and killed in public or in private spaces. An ashkenazi religious Jew stabbed and killed a girl in a gay pride event in Jerusalem, and the government coalition is made up of some of the most externally homophobic (also Ashkenazi) MPs. Israel has an image of tolerance because of TLV, which was mostly a tourism driven policy…

A simple Google Search proves this comment completely wrong...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_a...

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by notahacker »

1hakr wrote: post #2

I was looking for a way to check a website where I can find Gay-friendly countries when one of my friends asked me as I have built the Visa List. Surprisingly I found very few blogs and they had very few countries and didn't tell me how safe every country is. So I decided to build a full functionality where you can find each and every country with their travel ranking with their civil rights, discrimination, and pers…

I like the design and intent, but I'm not sure mapping the scores to percentages works. I can't see how the UK's equal age of consent [since 2000] works out at '67%' for example.

I'm also pretty sceptical of the underlying data anyway: I'm also perplexed by the idea that the UK has a significant negative religious influence, and I'm pretty sure Pride is banned in Saudi Arabia

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by onyva »

koheripbal wrote: post #81
onyva wrote: post #70

Israel is probably one of the few countries other than the USA were LGBTQ+ people were attacked and killed in public or in private spaces. An ashkenazi religious Jew stabbed and killed a girl in a gay pride event in Jerusalem, and the government coalition is made up of some of the most externally homophobic (also Ashkenazi) MPs. Israel has an image of tolerance because of TLV, which was mostly a tourism driven policy…

A simple Google Search proves this comment completely wrong... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_a...

The stubbing happened in public during a pride event in Jerusalem. Daylight.

The shooting in the youth club was of a guy who burst in and gunned them down.

Israel does not allow same sex marriage and having your right recognized l, if you got married outside is constantly challenged, as well as adoption by LGBTQ+ parents.

Openly homophobic MPs are almost as common as islamophobic or xenophobic (asylum seekers) ones, and no one was fired for any of the vile public statements made.

Israel’s image as a tolerant country is not reflected in its reality, as much as its claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East. It’s neither.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by DanBC »

notahacker wrote: post #82
1hakr wrote: post #2

I was looking for a way to check a website where I can find Gay-friendly countries when one of my friends asked me as I have built the Visa List. Surprisingly I found very few blogs and they had very few countries and didn't tell me how safe every country is. So I decided to build a full functionality where you can find each and every country with their travel ranking with their civil rights, discrimination, and pers…

I like the design and intent, but I'm not sure mapping the scores to percentages works. I can't see how the UK's equal age of consent [since 2000] works out at '67%' for example. I'm also pretty sceptical of the underlying data anyway: I'm also perplexed by the idea that the UK has a significant negative religious influence, and I'm pretty sure Pride is banned in Saudi Arabia

The Church of England just said that sex is for married hetero-sexual couples only.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51233003

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by notahacker »

hardtoswallow wrote: post #29

As a gay man, you're safer and better off in Singapore than you would be in most parts of Europe and the top portion of the list. Yet Singapore is down at 92. Interpret this however you want, but the list flawed. Laws don't mean shit unless they're enforced and that goes both ways. "Bad" laws not enforced is better than good laws not enforced.

Yes and no. On the one hand a gay tourist is considerably less likely to be on the receiving end of homophobic beatings in Singapore than many liberal European countries, and won't have any issue finding the gay scene. On the other hand its a country where only a fifth of the population think gay sex isn't wrong and the unenforced law against gay sex still has majority public support.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by [deleted] »

keanzu wrote: post #50
lawlorino wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is right for every category though, the only thing in the methodology I could find is this > The categories have different levels. If a category has three levels, a maximum of three points can be awarded. Keyword being "if". They don't specify which categories these are. Logically how could you score higher than a 1 in equal age of consent, that's a true or false question right?

I checked 2017, 2018 and Canada held a consistent 1 score. I also found this in the 2017 document: "With regard to anti-discrimination laws up to 3 points can be awarded, making a distinction, for example, whether the principle of non-discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation in the constitution or only in a law for a specific area is shown." https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/gaytravelindex_2017.pdf Also in 201…

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Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by maxmalysh »

lightgreen wrote: post #80
maxmalysh wrote: post #23

This map is terribly wrong for some parts of the ex-USSR and Asia. Coming out as a gay person in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan or Azerbaijan is dangerous. Dangerous as in "there is a high chance you'll be beaten up and a mild chance of being kidnapped and killed". From the other side, Russia is not that bad. Not bad means "you can see gay people kissing on the streets without repercussions" (in the European part of the coun…

> you can see gay people kissing on the streets without repercussions I never say gay people kissing (or even holding hands) even in Moscow. Maybe Russia is not as bad as Syria, but that statement is not true.

YMMV, but check Google Maps to see how many gay bars are there in Moscow.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by notahacker »

DanBC wrote: post #84
notahacker wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the design and intent, but I'm not sure mapping the scores to percentages works. I can't see how the UK's equal age of consent [since 2000] works out at '67%' for example. I'm also pretty sceptical of the underlying data anyway: I'm also perplexed by the idea that the UK has a significant negative religious influence, and I'm pretty sure Pride is banned in Saudi Arabia

The Church of England just said that sex is for married hetero-sexual couples only. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51233003

It also said sorry for offending people very quickly afterwards, and more to the point has tiny and declining attendance and minimal impact on attitudes towards homosexual tourists. The idea that it's more hostile and influential on the subject of homosexuality than, say, the Catholic church in most Catholic majority countries doesn't really stack up.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by DanBC »

notahacker wrote: post #88
DanBC wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Church of England just said that sex is for married hetero-sexual couples only. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51233003

It also said sorry for offending people very quickly afterwards, and more to the point has tiny and declining attendance and minimal impact on attitudes towards homosexual tourists. The idea that it's more hostile and influential on the subject of homosexuality than, say, the Catholic church in most Catholic majority countries doesn't really stack up.

It's the official state religion and is represented in the house of lords. That's real actual power, albeit moderated by the rest of the HoL. And, while they apologised, they stuck by that announcement.

We also have Catholic churches here, who've made similar pronouncements about relationships of gay people.

We've had a long running demonstration outside primary schools by Muslim people complaining about age appropriate lessons about relationships.

A transwoman was ostracized by her orthodox Jewish community to the point where she was unable to see her children. Despite winning the various court cases she's now given up trying to have contact with her children.

Religious intolerance of LGBTQ relationships is widespread in the UK across most religions.

Re: Show HN: I made a site that helps you find LGBT+ Travel Rankings and Gay Laws

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Post by alkyon »

learnstats2 wrote: post #77

Poland scores much higher than South Korea. Poland has areas which have declared themselves LGBT-free zones. South Korea is higher on the Human Development Index but is described as "developing". This is just nonsense, isn't it?

As gay person living in Warsaw I wouldn't move to South Korea. They have some serious legal problems like very limited or not existing anti-discrimination laws in employment, no right to serve openly in the military etc. Poland has openly gay politicians, party leaders and mayors - I don't think is true in South Korea. Also look at the comment below regarding Israel also featuring high in the ranking despite having serious problems outside Tel Aviv (a nice city BTW).

Also so called LGBT-free zones are limited to south eastern Poland (ultra-catholic, conservative, something like bible belt in the US) - however stupid they are they are only declarative.

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