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Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

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Post by rubyn00bie »

Let it be known, I'm bitching with love, I appreciate the work done, and wouldn't be bitching if I didn't... I'm so confused by the frontpage of this, it looks like an alternative to Make with _no reason_ why I should use it over make. Seriously, there's not one feature on the homepage that isn't more obviously done with Make... Probably should pull that credentials example outta the docs and onto the homepage. And... on the homepage, please, please tell me:

what problems does this tool solve?

... Why was it created? Because generating new apps is like an "almost never" problem for me. Not to say it's not "un-fun" sometimes, but in reality, it's like the smallest amount of time I'll spend in the entirety of a project.

If anything the fact it's not Make, or whatever is canonical for the language/runtime, seems like a disadvantage because it's one more abstraction I'll eventually have to use... unless there are some wicked sweet problems it solves.

Also, the fact the user configuration language is `go` also seems like a disadvantage. As much as I hate to say it, JavaScript would probably be a better choice if you need users to have access to a language for scripting tasks (I know nothing about go but a quick google gave me this: https://github.com/jingweno/godzilla). Does it already support multiple languages? Examples of that would be awesome too.

One love. Hope my comments are constructive for y'all.

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#83

Post by stephenr »

snazz wrote: post #31
snazz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like a header called “why this is better than GNU Make” should be somewhere in there. With the provided example, it looks like Oya does less than POSIX Make (which is significantly less powerful than either BSD or GNU Make).

They do mention this in their documentation now, but don’t offer any concrete examples of where it can even compete with Make. > If you’re familiar with Makefiles, you may have noticed some similarity here. The main difference is because we’re using standard YAML files, is the pipe character after task name. An added bonus you don’t have to use tabs. :> > If all Oya offered was poor-man’s Makefiles, you’d better find…

Ignoring that a Makefile makes more sense than a yaml file anyway (what the is a “standard yaml file”?), “you don’t have to use tabs” really shows how ridiculous things have gotten.

I can’t believe someone spent $35 on a domain for this much less however many man hours went into it.

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#84

Post by the-dude »

dhuramas wrote: post #14
Tepix wrote: post #2

> curl https://oya.sh/get | bash You lost me right there. No checksum, no digital signature - if your server gets hacked, so do your customers. Why don't you use your github releases in the installation instructions?

I recall two other popular projects doing the curl xyz| bash approach Rust[0] Chef [1] And here is an old HN comment[2] going into why it doesn't really matter. Besides it's a Show HN- why be negative when we can raise the same issue more constructively as "Please add checksums and digital signatures. Also why not use regular GitHub releases in the installation instructions?" [0] https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch01-0…

Brew

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#85

Post by snazz »

stephenr wrote: post #83
snazz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do mention this in their documentation now, but don’t offer any concrete examples of where it can even compete with Make. > If you’re familiar with Makefiles, you may have noticed some similarity here. The main difference is because we’re using standard YAML files, is the pipe character after task name. An added bonus you don’t have to use tabs. :> > If all Oya offered was poor-man’s Makefiles, you’d better find…

Ignoring that a Makefile makes more sense than a yaml file anyway (what the is a “standard yaml file”?), “you don’t have to use tabs” really shows how ridiculous things have gotten. I can’t believe someone spent $35 on a domain for this much less however many man hours went into it.

I wouldn’t quite go that far (since it obviously has some value for the people who use it over Make, despite the fact that they are unable to communicate it effectively; at the very least it was a good learning experience for the authors), but you should see how much code did go into the project: https://github.com/tooploox/oya/tree/master/pkg

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#86

Post by sergiomattei »

marcell wrote: post #70

I don’t like to go meta, but this is the meanest response to a Show HN I’ve seen in a while. Almost every comment is a reason why it sucks or a random nitpick. If you don’t have anything nice to say, just don’t say anything at all.

It's just really bad marketing. We aren't a cheer team, this is honest feedback and discussion.

The feedback allows companies to better their product.

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#87

Post by kehrin »

dmitrykoji wrote: post #82

This feedback is SO FREAKING valuable... Could really use this kind of evaluation of our new platform. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19964067

Is there a reason as to why you didn't title it "Show HN: Koji - An app templating service" and link to the site directly ? I'd argue that you would get a larger response that way.

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

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Post by alpaca128 »

avip wrote: post #78

It's really frustrating to read about a sw product and not understand what it does. idk if I'm dumb, or it's a generation gap. Is this oya thing so complex it cannot be described in a way a fellow developer could understand?

I get this impression with quite a few software project websites. They sometimes seem to assume that anyone who visits their website has experience in a specific area. I mean nothing against going for your target audience, but in some cases it's hard to tell if I just don't get it or if it's something that doesn't concern me anyway.

Re: Show HN: Oya – New projects set up lightning fast

#90

Post by tomcam »

marcell wrote: post #70

I don’t like to go meta, but this is the meanest response to a Show HN I’ve seen in a while. Almost every comment is a reason why it sucks or a random nitpick. If you don’t have anything nice to say, just don’t say anything at all.

Well... they asked for feedback. But I do find many, many people on HN are far ruder than they would be to a friend presenting the same thing, which distresses me.

OTOH I expect anything I submit to HN to get treated with the same kind of brutality, but what I get in return is the attention of some of the smartest people on the Net. It’s a painful trade off but it does help you to expect hurt feelings going in.

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