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Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by tjoff »

thrower123 wrote: post #80
tjoff wrote: post #74

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You only need to have the spammy GDPR popups if you do unethical things. People should be sick of unethical practices, not GDPR.

I dunno, we're six months into this now, and all I see as a result is a lot of fussing, a lot more cookie popups, and a meaningless sidechannel on comments for every side project or US local newspaper article posted here about how they haven't bothered with GDPR compliance and are somehow evil for using google analytics cookies without telling people.

Yep, it's awesome. Hopefully that will continue until sites adapt or die. You get an instant indication that you can't trust a site with anything of value.

Also the changes in the industry are huge. Just because some sites have a hard time grasping the idea that the user isn't the enemy doesn't retract from the massive success that it is despite it being so new.

Just one example is the many places where you suddenly are able to downloading your data as well as delete it.

Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by paulie_a »

tjoff wrote: post #56
paulie_a wrote: post #40

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While the creator replied saying they are compliant. There are a lot of services that quite frankly don't need to give a shit about GDPR. It's simply not relevant to every business.

If you have tracking on your site you need to give a shit about GDPR.

Why? If I am not doing business in the EU and not based there. I really don't care if someone from the EU visits my site and I am not complient. Basically most of the planet falls into that category.

Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by tjoff »

paulie_a wrote: post #82
tjoff wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have tracking on your site you need to give a shit about GDPR.

Why? If I am not doing business in the EU and not based there. I really don't care if someone from the EU visits my site and I am not complient. Basically most of the planet falls into that category.

Common decency? Caring about your users?

GDPR isn't setting some completely unrealistic standard, it is just the absolute bare minimum that you could possibly expect. If you don't want to uphold that and actively try to exploit your users for pennies, sure, go ahead. But most of the world would rather you stay offline.

Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by rob-d »

thrower123 wrote: post #71
rob-d wrote: post #35

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That sounds interesting - got me thinking a little more about this. I wonder if simply by making the information available on when people are in flow state, a lot of flow state interruptions could be reduced, even without reducing the number of meetings. In particular, encouraging scheduling a meeting at the beginning / end of a flow state period rather than slap bang in the middle would have a big impact. For exampl…

How would you do this? Firstly, flow isn't really something you plan, it's more like, you get working on something and oh my god, it's 5:30 already? Where'd the day go? Second, you can't just move meetings around, in my experience. Once something is scheduled, it calcifies; it's too much work coordinating time zones and schedules, and if you push something up, most people that were planning on it being later will be…

This is a good point. I agree that having a 2 hour slot doesn't guarantee that I will get into a flow state, but it is a prerequisite for me to have a couple of hours at least to do this type of work.

I think the idea of being able to loosely schedule certain meetings (eg "Give me the least worst 30 minutes for the 3 people this week") could be an interesting thing to try. Having a system which knows whether it is advisable to 'bring forward' or 'push back' a meeting could be a big help. I also think that if a meeting is continually pushed back or brought forward, this might be interesting information in and of itself, especially for recurring meetings.

There could be downsides to this and I find it hard to even imagine what such a system would be like, given my current experience with Google Calendar, where even scheduling a meeting or room seems to be about 5 minute process.

Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by rob-d »

goliatone wrote: post #49
rob-d wrote: post #35

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That sounds interesting - got me thinking a little more about this. I wonder if simply by making the information available on when people are in flow state, a lot of flow state interruptions could be reduced, even without reducing the number of meetings. In particular, encouraging scheduling a meeting at the beginning / end of a flow state period rather than slap bang in the middle would have a big impact. For exampl…

How do you reconcíliate future meetings with future flow states? Unless you have the ability to pospone a meeting when you are flowing I don’t see how to do this, unless you’re able to build a pattern over time and use that information to preemptively inform the organizer of best suited times to schedule a meeting

I hadn't really thought this through, but the ability to 'snooze' a meeting sounds like something which could be really useful, especially when I'm on maker's schedule and I'm meeting someone on manager's schedule (terminology from here http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html).

In fact, on a previous job, this happened a couple of times. I was in flow, finishing something off or pairing and I would forget about my 1-1, showing up 15/30 mins late. I was always really embarrassed, but actually it didn't affect the manager too badly because they had other things to be getting on with.

My manager wanted a scheduler which satisfied the condition 'I would like to see all of my team members for at least 30 mins each on Wednesday', but they didn't mind who was seen when. In practice, these appointments were scheduled, by the manager, pretty much randomly I think, and fixed in advance, but something fluid could have worked.

Perhaps it is inevitable that all makers want meetings at the beginning / end of the day, but I'm not sure, especially when there are other meetings etc going on. Also, perhaps the short term rearrangement would be so disruptive or unsettling that it wouldn't be practical. My experience in some jobs has been that this was happening anyway with people frequently late to meetings, so they were defacto snoozed anyway.

As you say, if nothing else, such a system might surface some interesting data on which meetings were always missed / moved.

Re: Show HN: Meeting Stats – Show your boss how much of your life is in meetings

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Post by paulie_a »

tjoff wrote: post #83
paulie_a wrote: post #82

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Why? If I am not doing business in the EU and not based there. I really don't care if someone from the EU visits my site and I am not complient. Basically most of the planet falls into that category.

Common decency? Caring about your users? GDPR isn't setting some completely unrealistic standard, it is just the absolute bare minimum that you could possibly expect. If you don't want to uphold that and actively try to exploit your users for pennies, sure, go ahead. But most of the world would rather you stay offline.

I'm not saying I abuse or collect/sell info, I'm just pointing out that the GDPR is generally irrelevant to most sites. Most sites don't need to follow it to the T. But agreed they should have common decency.
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