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Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by WhitneyLand »

rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

Software development should be about thinking, creating, solving problems, and yet a large percentage is grunt work that barely requires more than monkey intelligence.

In some ways we benefit. Sometimes its harder to replace us not just because of skill, but because of countless layers of byzantine and mundane information we’ve memorized about a system. It just not cost effective to stuff all of that crap into someone else’s brain if you don’t have to.

However whenever there is a way to reduce the cruft to productivity ratio, the power is staggering. That’s your “10x” developer right there, someone who gets to actually think a higher percentage of the time.

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by jazoom »

dcosson wrote: post #36
rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

Totally a tangent but, don’t use moment.js! It inherits some of the parsing and other quirks from the awfulness that is the JS Date object, the mutability almost certainly will lead to being bit by a couple of bugs before you actually internalize it, and the time zone support is kind of tacked on as an afterthought. I highly recommend js-joda, particularly if you’ll ever be computing/showing things to your users in d…

For some reason reading the API docs of js-joda gives me flashbacks to Java programming. Maybe it's all the "public static" stuff. Maybe it's that I can't immediately see how to do something useful. Some examples would be nice.

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by jazoom »

midrus wrote: post #49
rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

> I would be so happy if someone took away my power to choose and just forced me to use something that will "just work". You are looking for django/ruby on rails.

Actually it sounds like OP is looking for something in NodeJS.

I'm also interested in a NodeJS version of something like that even though express is very straightforward once you've worked out all the modules you need.

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by vnchr »

atiffany wrote: post #38
rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

Totally agree with you. I miss the opinionated nature of Rails when I work in the JS world.

You might like Ember. Very opinionated. Yehuda Katz is one of the creators and core team leader.

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by leke »

azr79 wrote: post #79
rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

> I would be so happy if someone took away my power to choose and just forced me to use something that will "just work". That's basically what Google did on the front end with Angular for people who had the exact same problem with React. Maybe we'll see something like this happen on Backend Javascript, I mean there is Sails, but it doesn't "just work" as well as Angular does on the frontend.

Isn't that what Meteor did (for the backend), or am I not understanding the problem here?

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by [deleted] »

rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

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Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by clintonb »

midrus wrote: post #49
rawnlq wrote: post #32

Rather than changing express's syntax, I would much rather have a better express boilerplate generator with an opinionated stack with good documentation/justification. I recently started learning express/node and wasted weeks googling for blog posts for each dependency to figure out how to configure them. I guess this is somewhat valuable for end-to-end understanding but not for productivity. There are a bunch depend…

> I would be so happy if someone took away my power to choose and just forced me to use something that will "just work". You are looking for django/ruby on rails.

No, he and others used to more complete (for lack of a better term) frameworks are looking for the Django/Rails equivalent in Node.js. I got my first taste of Node.js development a few months ago (https://engineering.edx.org/serverless-984cee7797e1) and found it confusing that so much of what I take for granted in Django is kinda all over the place in Node.js. The one that stood out to me was internationalization (i18n). In Django, I mark my strings, run a couple commands to extract/compile translations, and I'm pretty much done. The most popular options for Node.js involved writing a crawler for my site. It makes no sense me that folks are writing crawlers when the static text is on the disk, marked up, waiting to be parsed.

The diversity of the Node.js ecosystem is great because there is clear change and innovation. It's bad, however, because some of that innovation is simply taking things done by other frameworks and poorly implementing them in libraries or other frameworks. The lack of general consensus potentially hurts adoption by those of us who work with Django/Rails and perpetuates the myth of the JS world changing every hour/day/week.

Re: Show HN: Server.js – A modern Express alternative

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Post by clintonb »

abritinthebay wrote: post #61
jypepin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe time to make a "node on rails"!

Please no.

Why not? Figuring out DB access, session storage, i18n, etc. is not core to my business. Why not abstract that into a framework, and let engineers focus on solving their business needs?
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