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Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes he does mention it was on an iOS device in his post. It was a bit confusing at first but I'm absolutely sure he is talking about iOS with the scheduling reminders.

Seems like he means the Google app on iOS, so this would be the Google app telling him to use the Google Calendar app in theory.

Nice to see he responded with that info.

It was however after my comment so I was in a point of limbo at that point.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#82
post #27

I used to love using the "remind me to" command. It was a fast and convenient way to set alarms. Recently, when I attempted to use it on iOS, I was hit with an alert that "reminders have been moved to the Calendar app," where it is far less convenient to set up a reminder. Instead of just setting the alarm with my voice and then confirming it, I have to use a click wheel to set the time, and it takes like three more…

> This is part of a larger trend I've noticed where large tech companies use their market share to bully their users into adopting their other applications. It baffles me how any one approves these ideas. Isn't it pretty short sighted to cripple your own product, to break features that users love to promote another unloved product? Isn't that arrogant? I hope this trend passes, but my guess is that it effectively dri…

I'd like you to give me one example where a Google app bypasses the intents system and uses another specific Google app for a task. One example.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#83
post #9

Technologies used for a static list (!): react redux reselect aphrodite material-ui stylz redux-form react-helmet webpack faker lodash moment

Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing? I mean the site comes in at around 500kb transferred. That's not small, but it's also not obscenely large. A single large-ish image can easily blow that out of the water. Yeah, it could afford to lose some weight in the javascript (although looking at it now, i'm not sure they can. much of the size of the javascript is string literals for all of the option…

> Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing?

User experience.

- long, unskippable animation on site load

- navigation keys (arrows, page up/down) do not work at all without changing focus first (which takes 4 tabs)

- navigation keys do not work at all in category list (items can't be selected or scrolled)

- mousing over items produces unexpected results (text changing, distracting animation)

These may not be caused by the technologies per say, but more generally by the 'form over function' attitude.

Why does everything on the web have to be so fancy these days?

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#84
I have an Huawei watch (android wear) that I use "OK google" on quite frequently. It doesn't have a brightness sensor, though, and the one command I'd really like to see is something like "OK google set brightness to max" or something along those lines. (I usually keep it at the lowest brightness for indoor use, but then I can't see anything at all outside.)

"OK google brightness boost" might work too if it lasted a bit longer. (There's a Brightness boost button, but it reverts back to lower brightness before I can finish whatever I wanted to do, so it's not very useful in practice. It doesn't even stay on long enough to open the settings and manually set the brightness to max.)

(Oh, and if anyone from Google happens to read this, PLEASE fix reminders to appear at the correct time instead of 3 hours early.)

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is part of a larger trend I've noticed where large tech companies use their market share to bully their users into adopting their other applications. It baffles me how any one approves these ideas. Isn't it pretty short sighted to cripple your own product, to break features that users love to promote another unloved product? Isn't that arrogant? I hope this trend passes, but my guess is that it effectively dri…

I'd like you to give me one example where a Google app bypasses the intents system and uses another specific Google app for a task. One example.

calendar

I used to be able to use other calendars. Now it ignores my other calendars, and insists on using google calendar.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is part of a larger trend I've noticed where large tech companies use their market share to bully their users into adopting their other applications. It baffles me how any one approves these ideas. Isn't it pretty short sighted to cripple your own product, to break features that users love to promote another unloved product? Isn't that arrogant? I hope this trend passes, but my guess is that it effectively dri…

I'd like you to give me one example where a Google app bypasses the intents system and uses another specific Google app for a task. One example.

I used to love using the "remind me to" command. It was a fast and convenient way to set alarms. Recently, when I attempted to use it on iOS, I was hit with an alert that "reminders have been moved to the Calendar app," where it is far less convenient to set up a reminder.

Instead of just setting the alarm with my voice and then confirming it, I have to use a click wheel to set the time, and it takes like three more steps.

This is part of a larger trend I've noticed where large tech companies use their market share to bully their users into adopting their other applications. It baffles me how any one approves these ideas. Isn't it pretty short sighted to cripple your own product, to break features that users love to promote another unloved product? Isn't that arrogant? I hope this trend passes, but my guess is that it effectively drives adoption, so to hell with everything else, right?

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#87
post #9

Technologies used for a static list (!): react redux reselect aphrodite material-ui stylz redux-form react-helmet webpack faker lodash moment

Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing? I mean the site comes in at around 500kb transferred. That's not small, but it's also not obscenely large. A single large-ish image can easily blow that out of the water. Yeah, it could afford to lose some weight in the javascript (although looking at it now, i'm not sure they can. much of the size of the javascript is string literals for all of the option…

Does it work on screen readers? I mean the site is trying to explain voice control, after all.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#88
post #9

Technologies used for a static list (!): react redux reselect aphrodite material-ui stylz redux-form react-helmet webpack faker lodash moment

Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing? I mean the site comes in at around 500kb transferred. That's not small, but it's also not obscenely large. A single large-ish image can easily blow that out of the water. Yeah, it could afford to lose some weight in the javascript (although looking at it now, i'm not sure they can. much of the size of the javascript is string literals for all of the option…

Does it work on screen readers? I mean the site is trying to explain voice control, after all.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing? I mean the site comes in at around 500kb transferred. That's not small, but it's also not obscenely large. A single large-ish image can easily blow that out of the water. Yeah, it could afford to lose some weight in the javascript (although looking at it now, i'm not sure they can. much of the size of the javascript is string literals for all of the option…

Does it work on screen readers? I mean the site is trying to explain voice control, after all.

yes actually it does!

It needs some work with focusable things, I needed to use the special navigation keys (I tested with ChromeVox on the desktop) to get to the lists on the left and right, and to click on anything i had to use the special "click" keybinding instead of pressing enter, but it's 100% usable.

On android it works great, about the same as any other website or app (i used the android accessibility screen reader to test)

Modern screen readers are just as capable as the rest of the browser, the only place they fall short is in image-heavy sites that don't have alt tags. Obviously you can greatly help by adding things like aria tags, and using markup as much as possible, but it's not like they just don't run javascript.

Re: Show HN: “OK Google” – Explore Google Now voice commands

#90
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you actually have a problem that any of those are causing? With JavaScript turned off (an essential security precaution), no text is visible at all, which is a bit of a problem. > I mean the site comes in at around 500kb transferred. That's not small, but it's also not obscenely large. The actual content on the page really isn't that large. I got too bored to actually complete this, but you can see an example of…

Well, I disagree with you on disabling javascript being an "essential security precaution", but that's another discussion... As for the rest, there's also the point that the author probably wouldn't have done this that way. That seems like a dumb sentence, but hopefully i can explain it. This kind of thing isn't going to make any money, even with ads this is an niche thing and would probably end up making him tens of…

> I know that many disagree with me, but for most "web apps" progressive enhancement is dead … Javascript is part of the platform

It shouldn't be, it really shouldn't be. The web should be about GETing, PUTting, POSTting & DELET(E)ing resources (i.e., documents); it shouldn't about GETting executables.

There's definitely a place in the world for a well-thought out universal executable platform, but HTTP + HTML + CSS + JavaScript ain't it.

Progressive enhancement is a good thing: a document which used JavaScript to become a better, live version of itself would be better than an ASCII list of neat things doable with the Google interface; it'd be better than a static HTML document. And it'd be better than a single-page app.

> It's part of the platform, and it's here to stay.

JavaScript delenda est.

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