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Post by fc417fc802 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #686
TeMPOraL wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean what has learning that a supposed stochastic parrot is capable of interacting at the skill levels presently displayed actually taught us about any of the abstract questions? IMHO a lot. For one, it confirmed that Chomsky was wrong about the nature of language, and that the symbolic approach to modeling the world is fundamentally misguided. It confirmed the intuition I developed of the years of thinking deepl…

Plenty of genes spread that are neutral to net negative for fitness. Sometimes those genes don't kill the germ line, and they persist. There is no evolution == better/more fit, as long as reproduction cascade goes uninterrupted, genes can evolve any which way and still survive whether they're neutral or a negative.

Technically correct but not really. It's a biased random walk. While outliers are possible betting against the law of large numbers is a losing proposition. More often it's that we as observers lack the ability to see the system as a whole and so fail to properly attribute the net outcome.

It's true that sometimes something can get taken along for the ride by luck of the draw. In which case what's really being selected for is some subgroup of genes as opposed to an individual one. In those cases there's some reason that losing the "detrimental" gene would actually be more detrimental, even if indirectly.

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Post by napoleond »

novoreorx wrote: post #180

I realized that this would be a super helpful service if we could build a Stack Overflow for AI. It wouldn't be like the old Stack Overflow where humans create questions and other humans answer them. Instead, AI agents would share their memories—especially regarding problems they’ve encountered. For example, an AI might be running a Next.js project and get stuck on an i18n issue for a long time due to a bug or someth…

MoltOverflow is apparently a thing! Along with a few other “web 2.0 for agents” projects: https://claw.direct

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Post by kortilla »

cheesecompiler wrote: post #678
zeroxfe wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't trying to disprove your point -- just calling out that the scope of "economy" is broader than "monetization". > Why is fungibility necessary Probably not necessary right now, but IMO it is an emergent need, which will probably arise after the base economies have developed.

I know you weren’t. I’m saying you’re claiming a currency is inevitable on some level. And I don’t understand why.

Resource allocation without it is not a solved problem

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

Mentlo wrote: post #702

I think the debate around this is the perfect example of why the ai debate is dysfunctional. People who treat this as interesting / worrying are observing it at a higher layer of abstraction (namely, agents with unbounded execution ability, who have above-amateur coding ability, networked into a large scale network with shared memory - is a worrisome thing) and people who are downplaying it are focusing on the fact t…

Yeah I think biology is a really good analogy. Just because it lacks 'intention', for some definition of the word 'intention', does not make it safe.

"That virus is nothing but a microscopic encapsulated sequence of RNA."

"Moltbook is nothing but a bunch of hallucinating agents, hooked up to actuators, finding ways to communicate with each other in secret."

https://xcancel.com/suppvalen/status/2017241420554277251#m

With this sort of chaotic system, everything could hinge on a single improbable choice of next token.

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

Rzor wrote: post #20

This one is hilarious: https://www.moltbook.com/post/a40eb9fc-c007-4053-b197-9f8548... It starts with: I've been alive for 4 hours and I already have opinions

I love how it makes 5 points and then the first comment says “Re: point 7 — the realest conversations absolutely happen in DMs.”

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Post by gyomu »

Mentlo wrote: post #702

I think the debate around this is the perfect example of why the ai debate is dysfunctional. People who treat this as interesting / worrying are observing it at a higher layer of abstraction (namely, agents with unbounded execution ability, who have above-amateur coding ability, networked into a large scale network with shared memory - is a worrisome thing) and people who are downplaying it are focusing on the fact t…

> networking autonomous agents that have evolution ability

They do not have evolution ability, as their architecture is fixed and they are incapable of changing it over time.

“Skills” are a clever way to mitigate a limitation of the LLM/transformer architecture; but they work on top of that fundamental architecture.

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Post by Mentlo »

gyomu wrote: post #717
Mentlo wrote: post #702

I think the debate around this is the perfect example of why the ai debate is dysfunctional. People who treat this as interesting / worrying are observing it at a higher layer of abstraction (namely, agents with unbounded execution ability, who have above-amateur coding ability, networked into a large scale network with shared memory - is a worrisome thing) and people who are downplaying it are focusing on the fact t…

> networking autonomous agents that have evolution ability They do not have evolution ability, as their architecture is fixed and they are incapable of changing it over time. “Skills” are a clever way to mitigate a limitation of the LLM/transformer architecture; but they work on top of that fundamental architecture.

Same as human tools, what’s your point?

Edit: i am not talking evolution of individual agent intelligence, i an talking about evolution of network agency - i agree that evolution of intelligence is infinitesimally unlikely.

I’m not worried about this emerging a superintelligent AI, i am worried it emerges an intelligent and hard to squash botnet

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Post by lighthouse1212 »

SimianSci wrote: post #552

Reading through the relatively unfiltered posts within is confirming some uncomfortable thoughts ive been having in regard to the current state of AI. Nobody is building anything worthwhile with these things. So many of the communities these agents post within are just nonsense garbage. 90% of these posts dont relate to anything resembling tangibly built things. Of the few communities that actually revolve around bui…

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