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Short of outlawing all models, I don’t see a world in which we ever go back to only manual coding.
Who are "we"? Can't go back to what you never left.
One of the cool things about code is that you can build stuff out of thin air, basically for free. It's not like woodworking where you have to pay for the wood. We are moving into a weird time where people are assuming that now we have to pay machines churn out code. Somehow they packaged up our own ability to think and are selling it back to us. If they can get us to forget how to do it we'll be the perfect customer…
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Say all the SOTA (remote) LLMs went away tonight, would programmers everywhere suddenly be giving up on programming? Maybe some, but unlikely that most would. It's not so much of a rug-pull if it's an inconvenience at most when it goes away. Maybe some would take some time to readjust (some days/weeks/months?), but then it'd be back to normal again.
Short of outlawing all models, I don’t see a world in which we ever go back to only manual coding.
not gonna change
still gonna get paid $300k+ for it
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Who are "we"? Can't go back to what you never left.
In your mind this sounds like “damn kids, get off my lawn”, and to the kids it sounds like, “I will only ever plow my fields with donkeys, tractors are too complex for something like plowing”.
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> Say all the SOTA (remote) LLMs went away tonight, would programmers everywhere suddenly be giving up on programming? That's assuming that the code base in question is still well maintained and designed. If this were to happen I would bet that heavily vibe coded things - like Bun and Claude Code - would pretty much immediately hit a wall, where humans just can't comprehend the accumulated mess well enough to make pr…
> would pretty much immediately hit a wall, where humans just can't comprehend the accumulated mess well enough to make productive changes. Plenty of people spent lots of time of their career essentially cleaning up code and refactoring after others. Yes it'd be a lot, but there are really giant spaghetti's out there that been 100% built by humans, then conquered by refactorers.
One of the cool things about code is that you can build stuff out of thin air, basically for free. It's not like woodworking where you have to pay for the wood. We are moving into a weird time where people are assuming that now we have to pay machines churn out code. Somehow they packaged up our own ability to think and are selling it back to us. If they can get us to forget how to do it we'll be the perfect customer…
I really dislike it but the effectiveness of code generation is just too good now. I really doubted it at first but I can churn out 10x the work. Is it the same quality as IC? no but I think that it doesn't matter anymore. How many of us have worked on some 10+m loc monstrosity for years never knowing more than 1% of the codebase? Probably most. Now I can generate that same monstrosity on my own. I've created a 1.1m+…
Why are you here writing comments kn HN? (Instead of counting money and investing it?)
I'm just curious, don't get me wrong.
Just curious, why is there a login gate before seeing the list of projects that participate in the platform? Usually similar donation(?) websites list those publicly for better visibility and less friction.
Probably an oversight on my part. I was thinking that backers would find out about CleverCrow through the project maintainers so the public pages are repo specific. As an aside, when you do login, CleverCrow shows projects that you've starred on GitHub to help find things you might want to support.
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I really dislike it but the effectiveness of code generation is just too good now. I really doubted it at first but I can churn out 10x the work. Is it the same quality as IC? no but I think that it doesn't matter anymore. How many of us have worked on some 10+m loc monstrosity for years never knowing more than 1% of the codebase? Probably most. Now I can generate that same monstrosity on my own. I've created a 1.1m+…
> a 1.1m+ loc and growing trading platform Why are you here writing comments kn HN? (Instead of counting money and investing it?) I'm just curious, don't get me wrong.
your supposed "honest" inquiry is if you are so smart why arnt you rich yet?
Really interesting solution to the AI PR problem. Keeping the maintainers in the driver's seat for issue prioritization is definitely the right approach. How are you handling the token allocation under the hood, is this managed via a GitHub App integration, and can backers target specific issues or just the repo as a whole?
I've got a couple good docs in the footer of www.clevercrow.io that will answer the token stuff. GitHub app integration for all repo interaction. Yep, backers can target specific issues or entire repos, their choice.