Live data from Hacker News

Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

apfel.franzai.com

71–80 of 180 posts

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#71
I hacked this together last fall to let you use Apple Foundation Models with llm: https://github.com/btucker/llm-apple . To enable that I built python bindings with Claude Code: https://github.com/btucker/apple-foundation-models-py

Unfortunately, I found the small context window makes the utility pretty limited.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#75

I like the approach of running everything locally. I'm strongly of the opinion that the privacy angle for local models is going to keep getting stronger and more relevant. The amount of articles that come out about accidents happening because of people handing too much context to cloud models the more self reinforcing this will become.

local is best for privacy, but i personally think you don't need to go local. anthropic, google, openai etc, decided that their consumer ai plans would not be private. partly to collect training data, the other half to employ moderators to review user activity for safety. we trust that human moderators will not review and flag our icloud docs, onedrive or gmail, or aggregate such documents into training data for llms…

I pay $13/month for Proton’s Lumo+ private chat LLM that contains an excellent built-in web search tool. I use it for everything non-technical, even just simple searching for local businesses, etc.

As an enthusiastic reader of books like Privacy is Power and Surveillance Capitalism, it feels good to have a private tool that is ready at hand.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

local is best for privacy, but i personally think you don't need to go local. anthropic, google, openai etc, decided that their consumer ai plans would not be private. partly to collect training data, the other half to employ moderators to review user activity for safety. we trust that human moderators will not review and flag our icloud docs, onedrive or gmail, or aggregate such documents into training data for llms…

> i personally think you don't need to go local. I personally think everyone should default to using local resources. Cloud resources should only be used for expansion and be relatively bursty rather than the default.

For about two years I experimented with writing local apps using local LLMs, but I often had to blend in a commercial web search API to make my little experiments useful.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#78
Started using this earlier this week. I built a backtesting benchmark tool to compare a mix of frontier and open-source models on a fairly heavy data analysis workflow I’d been running in the cloud.

The task is basically predicting pricing and costs.

Apple’s model came out on top—best accuracy in 6 out of 10 cases in the backtest. That surprised me.

It also looks like it might be fast enough to take over the whole job. If I ran this on Sonnet, we’re talking thousands per month. With DeepSeek, it’s more like hundreds.

So far, the other local models I’ve tried on my 64GB M4 Max Studio haven’t been viable - either far too slow or not accurate enough. That said, I haven’t tested a huge range yet.

Re: Show HN: Apfel – The free AI already on your Mac

#79
post #64

Is this for Tahoe only? I’m still clutching onto Sequoia

Yeah seems to need Tahoe (I'm on Sequoia):

    dyld[71398]: Library not loaded: /System/Library/Frameworks/FoundationModels.framework/Versions/A/FoundationModels
      Referenced from:  /opt/homebrew/Cellar/apfel/0.6.25/bin/apfel (built for macOS 26.0 which is newer than running OS)
      Reason: tried: '/System/Library/Frameworks/FoundationModels.framework/Versions/A/FoundationModels' (no such file), '/System/Volumes/Preboot/Cryptexes/OS/System/Library/Frameworks/FoundationModels.framework/Versions/A/FoundationModels' (no such file), '/System/Library/Frameworks/FoundationModels.framework/Versions/A/FoundationModels' (no such file, not in dyld cache)
Post reply on HN