what's the difference between this and just exposing opencode running in colima or whatever through tailscale? I got the impression that Clawdbot adds the headless browser (does it?) and that's the value. Otherwise even "nano"claw seems like uneccessary bloat for me.
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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
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Maybe. People have run wildly insecure phpBB and Wordpress plugins, so maybe its the same cycle again.
Those usually didn't have keys to all your data. Worst case, you lost your server, and perhaps you hosted your emails there too? Very bad, but nothing compared to the access these clawdbot instances get.
> Those usually didn't have keys to all your data.
As a former (bespoke) WP hosting provider, I'd counter those usually did. Not sure I ever met a prospective "online" business customer's build that didn't? They'd put their entire business into WP installs with plugins for everything.
Our step one was to turn WP into static site gen and get WP itself behind a firewall and VPN, and even then single tenant only on isolated networks per tenant.
To be fair that data wasn't ALL about everyone's PII — until by ~2008 when the Buddy Press craze was hot. And that was much more difficult to keep safe.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#73I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…
OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…
The problem with LLM-written is that I run into so many README.md's where it's clear the author barely read the thing they're expecting me to read and it's got errors that waste my time and energy.
I don't mind it if I have good reason to believe the author actually read the docs, but that's hard to know from someone I don't know on the internet. So I actually really appreciate if you are editing the docs to make them sound more human written.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
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> what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Where does this idea come from? We know how much it costs to run LLMs. It's not like we're waiting to find out. AI companies aren't losing money on API tokens. What could possibly happen to make prices go 10x when they're already running at a profit? Claude Max might be a different story, but AI is going to get cheaper to run. Not randomly…
From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…
Sam Altman is on record saying that OpenAI is profitable on inference. He might be lying, but it seems an unlikely thing to lie about.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
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I understand that things can go wrong and there can be security issues, but I see at least two other issues: 1. what if, ChadGPT style, ads are added to the answers (like OpenAI said it'd do, hence the new "ChadGPT" name)? 2. what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Are we living some golden age where we can both query LLMs on the cheap and not get ad-infected answers? I read severa…
> what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Where does this idea come from? We know how much it costs to run LLMs. It's not like we're waiting to find out. AI companies aren't losing money on API tokens. What could possibly happen to make prices go 10x when they're already running at a profit? Claude Max might be a different story, but AI is going to get cheaper to run. Not randomly…
Where did u get this notion from? you must not be old enough to know how subscription services play out. Ask your parents about their internet or mobile billings. Or the very least check Azures, AWS, Netflix historical pricing.
Heck we were spoiled by “memory is cheap” but here we are today wasting it at every expense as prices keep skyrocketing (ps they ain’t coming back down). If you can’t see the shift to forceful subscriptions via technologies guised as “security” ie. secure boot and the monopolistic distribution (Apple, Google, Amazon) or the OEM, you’re running with blinders. Computings future as it’s heading will be closed ecosystems that are subscription serviced, mobile only. They’ll nickel and dime users for every nuanced freedom of expression they can.
Is it crazy to correlate the price of memory to our ability to localize LLM?
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Where does this idea come from? We know how much it costs to run LLMs. It's not like we're waiting to find out. AI companies aren't losing money on API tokens. What could possibly happen to make prices go 10x when they're already running at a profit? Claude Max might be a different story, but AI is going to get cheaper to run. Not randomly…
From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…
Dario Amodei has said that their models actually have a good return, even when accounting for training costs [0]. They lose money because of R&D, training the next bigger models, and I assume also investment in other areas like data centers.
Sam Altman has made similar statements, and Chinese companies also often serve their models very cheaply. All of this makes me believe them when they say they are profitable on API usage. Usage on the plans is a bit more unknown.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#77The idea of avoiding config files, and having the config be getting your agent to modify its own codebase, is fascinating.
My gut reaction says that I don't like it, but it is such an interesting idea to think about.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#78> found it useful but running it scares
https://maordayanofficial.medium.com/the-sovereign-ai-securi...
At least 42,665 instances are publicly exposed on the internet, with 5,194 instances actively verified as vulnerable through systematic scanning.. The narrative that “running AI locally = security and privacy” is significantly undermined when 93% of deployments are critically vulnerable. Users may lose faith in self-hosted alternatives.. Governments and regulators already scrutinizing AI may use this incident to justify restrictions on self-hosted AI agents, citing security externalities.Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand that things can go wrong and there can be security issues, but I see at least two other issues: 1. what if, ChadGPT style, ads are added to the answers (like OpenAI said it'd do, hence the new "ChadGPT" name)? 2. what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Are we living some golden age where we can both query LLMs on the cheap and not get ad-infected answers? I read severa…
Seems much more likely the cost will go down 99%. With open source models and architectural innovations, something like Claude will run on a local machine for free.
How much RAM and SSD will be needed by future local inference, to be competitive with present cloud inference?
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
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Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.
Tons of chatter on Twitter making it sound like you'll get permabanned for doing this but... 1) how would they know if my requests are originating from Claude Code vs. OpenClaw? 2) how are we violating... anything? I'm working within my usage limits... $70 or whatever to check if there's milk... just use your Claude Max subscription.
Hate to ask the obvious question but.. how does Claude check for milk?