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Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by bluescrn »

theptip wrote: post #29
RamblingCTO wrote: post #21

Kinda offtopic, but I think this is so dystopian as it's only the beginning. Technocracy at its best. Have a bad starter and don't wanna stop the car? The numbers and rules don't care, no room for benevolence.

Right now we are in the “laws are seldom actually enforced” regime. It seems pretty clear that laws will be enforced more in future, the obvious response is to go prune the laws to get rid of the ones that we actually aren’t OK with being enforced.

Laws will be enforced if it's safe and profitable to do so, especially if the process can be fully automated.

Meanwhile, industrial-scale shoplifting, hard drugs, sex crimes, riots. No automated enforcement possible there, let alone profitable automated enforcement.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by organsnyder »

dale_huevo wrote: post #59
screye wrote: post #53

Amazing ! Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win. Bravo to NYC for opening this sort of program and OP for turning it into an "efficient free market". Will try it out soon. Bookmarked.

> Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win Win-win for who exactly? Maybe we need to decentralize and AI-accelerate construction permit reporting too. Your backyard fence looks DIY and not up to code and your porch light looks like a fire hazard.

Most cities have ways for neighbors to report things like this.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by dang »

dale_huevo wrote: post #68

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Would you please stop posting like this? Once was fine, but half a dozen is too much. You've made your point, and that's ok, but this is not curious conversation.

Also when the posts start getting dyspeptic-meta like this, something has gone wrong.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by dang »

eth0up wrote: post #67
eth0up wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't want to ban you! I'd appreciate it if you'd stop posting these off-topic comments though.

Everyone goes on tilt sometimes; it happens. But please stop.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by bluescrn »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #25
dale_huevo wrote: post #20

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We've got a brand new war in the Middle East, and a big ongoing one in Ukraine.

If we can't prevent wars between nations, there's no hope of the planet coming together to the extent required to manipulate the climate in a meaningful way.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by dale_huevo »

organsnyder wrote: post #72
dale_huevo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win Win-win for who exactly? Maybe we need to decentralize and AI-accelerate construction permit reporting too. Your backyard fence looks DIY and not up to code and your porch light looks like a fire hazard.

Most cities have ways for neighbors to report things like this.

Yes, and they're almost exclusively used by the worst type of vindictive chickenshit humans imaginable. I've known people affected by this, whose evil neighbors used 311 as a weapon because they simply didn't like them, and caused them tens of thousands of dollars in forced unnecessary renovations not to mention stress, for trivial violations that are widely ignored.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by jen20 »

dale_huevo wrote: post #59
screye wrote: post #53

Amazing ! Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win. Bravo to NYC for opening this sort of program and OP for turning it into an "efficient free market". Will try it out soon. Bookmarked.

> Decentralizing traffic enforcement is a win-win Win-win for who exactly? Maybe we need to decentralize and AI-accelerate construction permit reporting too. Your backyard fence looks DIY and not up to code and your porch light looks like a fire hazard.

> Win-win for who exactly?

Society at large? All the people who don't have the breathe the fumes of some garbage commercial vehicle.

> Your backyard fence looks DIY

Provided it's up for code, whether it was "done yourself" or not doesn't matter.

> your porch light looks like a fire hazard.

Absolutely this should be reported.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by gorbachev »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #56
theptip wrote: post #23

I like the general idea, and I’ve been surprised this hasn’t taken off elsewhere, eg citizen videos for traffic violations like blocking intersections, it seems these should be ROI positive for the city to implement (lower enforcement costs, more ticket revenue).

I really don't understand why anyone would want this Do you really want to live in a society where we're monitored for even the slightest infractions at all times and automatically punished regardless of any circumstances that might explain the behavior?

New York City doesn't do this for "even the slightest infractions at all times".

The idling regulations are based on real harm, and the reporting requirements include things like recording video to prove that the car you're reporting didn't start idling in the last 5 seconds, but has, in fact, been doing that for 3 minutes or longer, or 1 minute or longer adjacent to a school.

More info here: https://www.nyc.gov/site/dep/environment/idling-citizens-air...

You have to actually submit a 3:01 (or 1:01) minute video as part of the report for that to be actionable.

And, yes, I would really, really want to live in a society where unnecessary idling is not allowed. And if I was living next to a street corner where that happens regularly, I would be on that street corner recording videos any time I'd have free time, and more, if I had babies, who are especially vulnerable to air pollution, living with me.

Re: Show HN: Report idling vehicles in NYC (and get a cut of the fines) with AI

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Post by [deleted] »

mjmsmith wrote: post #51
bluescrn wrote: post #41

Milking motorists is very profitable. Stopping more problematic crime, not so much. So we end up with anarcho-tyranny, where 'real' crime is policed poorly, if at all - but loads of resources and tech are deployed aggressively policing+punishing mostly-law-abiding people for the most minor of infractions.

This has nothing to do with "milking motorists", whatever that means. (The phrase generally seems to be used by people who are angry that they can't speed and run red lights with impunity).

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