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Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#71

A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "feature" severely limits the usefulness of tags for tracking stolen items. Why not just sell some tags that don't alert everyone to their presence? Police and intelligence agencies have those already, so who are we protecting?

Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#72

A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "feature" severely limits the usefulness of tags for tracking stolen items. Why not just sell some tags that don't alert everyone to their presence? Police and intelligence agencies have those already, so who are we protecting?

Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?

Like tags, locks are also deliberately encumbered so that locksmiths and law enforcement can easily defeat them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#74
post #53

A while ago saw someone who was working in the tracking space said the following. For stolen items you don't want to track them. You want to be able to ask them where they are. The advantage is you can make a locator that doesn't reveal itself by transmitting. And it doesn't waste power receiving gps signals. You could literally have a device that runs for years on a AA battery. The reason you don't see these on the…

That's how classic Lojack worked. Lojack is a car theft detection device. It's not GPS based. It's hidden somewhere on the vehicle and connected to power. It listens to FM broadcast radio stations until it finds one with the Lojack subcarrier, something Lojack licensed from radio stations in most cities. It decodes the subcarrier, listening for serial numbers of Lojack units that have been stolen. Then it starts transmitting. It doesn't transmit location, just its serial number. Police cars equipped with Lojack receivers get an indication of direction and distance. Lojack had an effort to equip police cars with the equipment. At peak, LoJack had coverage in parts of 29 states.

It was very effective. 98% recovery rate.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#75

Tile already has this feature. You need to pass verification to use it, but it stays undetectable. However, if you got caught stalking somebody you have to pay $1M fine.

It’s arguably pointless.

> despite the absence of the device on Tile’s app, it can still be tracked and located through other means available on the device.

> Tile Tracker with Anti-Theft mode has a static Mac-Address, which may make it even more trackable

https://techryptic.github.io/2023/03/11/Tile-Anti-Theft-Mode...

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#76

A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "feature" severely limits the usefulness of tags for tracking stolen items. Why not just sell some tags that don't alert everyone to their presence? Police and intelligence agencies have those already, so who are we protecting?

> Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place?

I assume because it's a network that relies on its reputation among participating nodes to trust it will not be used to track them involuntarily, else they would opt out and collapse the network.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?

Like tags, locks are also deliberately encumbered so that locksmiths and law enforcement can easily defeat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ

Are there people out there who sell locks that aren't purposefully bad?

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#78

A poor workaround to a problem created by unnecessary restrictions. Stalking is already illegal, so why are the tags crippled in the first place? This "feature" severely limits the usefulness of tags for tracking stolen items. Why not just sell some tags that don't alert everyone to their presence? Police and intelligence agencies have those already, so who are we protecting?

Breaking and entering is already illegal, why do people sell locks?

Locks keep the dyslexic realtor from showing my house to people interested in the neighboring property.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#79

> Events outside our control, such as Apple updating the firmware in the future to prevent the device from working, will not qualify for a refund. I fully understand why you would want to do this, but as a consumer I would never buy this product with this clause.

I understand your point. In this case the price point makes this a bearable risk, especially to protect much more valuable items. A refund is only useful if only a certain % of people have issue or the company is big. Since this is my only product, an Airtag update that bricks the devices would just bankrupt the company and make me unable to refund most people as my margin is very low anyway.

I was thinking that the price must be high if folks are worried about it not working and getting a refund.

For 10EUR, not only would I not worry about a refund but now I’m buying one or two to use myself on my bicycle and car.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like tags, locks are also deliberately encumbered so that locksmiths and law enforcement can easily defeat them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jzHw3lXCQ

Are there people out there who sell locks that aren't purposefully bad?

you ask great questions about power! and yes. though you'll generally find the lock isn't the interesting bit, reinforcing the door frame and door and putting pins at the top/bottom and side is how its done.

otherwise 25 dollars at TSC for a fence post driver will make 95% of residential entryways irrelevant.

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