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Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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> This site feels icky and I’m not quite sure how to articulate why. What is the purpose of this service? Sounds like genealogy, and a small fraction of the documents in a veteran's would probably be very helpful in fleshing out some basic details of their military service (especially given a fire destroyed many of the original copies of those documents). The actual medical records part seems inappropriate, though. >…

Agree completely with your comments and the parent's comment. It feels like this shouldn't have been allowed by the courts without better scrutiny and wisdom on the part of the courts.

Why exactly should arguably one of the MOST important parts of a state get exceptions to the law and transparency based on feelings?

Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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If you give the government tools for hiding information, the government will abuse those tools. This is what freedom looks like. I have family members in this dataset, and they would be fine with it because they would pick freedom and this is what freedom has to look like.

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You labeled me deviant and extremist, I replied with why I held my position. I think I deserve at least a reply after you made such a grose comment.

Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree completely with your comments and the parent's comment. It feels like this shouldn't have been allowed by the courts without better scrutiny and wisdom on the part of the courts.

Why exactly should arguably one of the MOST important parts of a state get exceptions to the law and transparency based on feelings?

Blood.

Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree completely with your comments and the parent's comment. It feels like this shouldn't have been allowed by the courts without better scrutiny and wisdom on the part of the courts.

Why exactly should arguably one of the MOST important parts of a state get exceptions to the law and transparency based on feelings?

> Why exactly should arguably one of the MOST important parts of a state get exceptions to the law and transparency based on feelings?

In exactly what way do you think people's personal medical records are "arguably one of the MOST important parts of a state"?

If you believe so much in transparency, put your money where your mouth is. Post all of your medical records here, right now.

Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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I need to get a copy of the database asap just for my data archiving neurosis lol. The amount of vitriolic comments here from entitled "service" members is astounding and makea me wish to safeguard it personally. I mean we have people in the comments calling people "extremist" and bringing up founding fathers bullshit .... Only jarheads seem to think the parental tone of "you don't know what freedom is" actually work…

> The amount of vitriolic comments here from entitled "service" members is astounding and makea me wish to safeguard it personally.

As someone who's never been in the military and isn't even acquainted with that many people who have been, I think I should give you a head's up that you are being an entitled asshole.

I think most people would be mad if they found out some of the most private and personal records about them (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42685002) would be made public to anyone who'd care to request them. It's a pretty terrible violation of privacy. Try to think about how you'd feel if something like that was going to happen to you (say, your complete browsing history would be made public, because I'm sure you have one and you almost certainly want to keep it private).

Re: Show HN: New search engine and free-FOIA-by-fax-via-web for US veteran records

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Really hope op and crew are sued to oblivion.

Actually, “op and crew” were the Plaintiffs (well, really the Petitioners, to be pedantic) who already sued the VA for this database in federal court (SDNY), and won that multi-year lawsuit, and even won our attorneys fees too. If you had checked our website, you’d see we even posted the court papers online for free, from both sides — and the judge’s order in our favor, of course.

I think there’s a way you could do this ethically, but personally I believe that the way you are implementing this is unethical. Obviously you are much more familiar with what you’re doing than I am, and I’d be happy to be convinced otherwise. But I think at the very least you could work on your messaging about this but there are a few things I noticed and raised yellow flags:

1. Primarily, you seem to mention winning your lawsuit and legal battle with the VA a lot to justify what you’re doing, but just because what you’re doing is legal does not make it ethical. I do not believe the FOIA was ever intended to be used to expose an API for accessing veterans’ medical records, and even if it did intend to do that for some reason, it would still be wrong to make that data completely available to the public.

2. Your framing of your legal battles with the VA gives me the impression that you are seeking to be vindictive or spiteful with your Fax-API. It’s hard to believe you are doing this because you care about Veterans when you’re actively forcing the VA to expend what I imagine must be considerable time and resources to comply with your requests. Maybe you do have a justifiable vendetta against them but I don’t see how this makes them any better.

3. Some of this data is so recent and potentially damaging that there seems no way to justify making it accessible to the public because of how it benefits genealogy or historians.

All that said I do genuinely believe that this could be an amazing resource for historians, genealogists, and people wanting to learn more about their deceased relatives. I just personally believe that when dealing with such sensitive data you have an obligation to treat it more carefully than you seem to be, even if you are justifying it to yourself as “just” making it 1000x easier to access and telling the world exactly how to do it through legal means.

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