This is a curious case of bait and switch. Ireland attracts Apple through low taxes. The EU rules this is an illegal subsidy for Apple by Ireland, harming other member states. So why should Ireland be entitled to the money, but not those member states?
Ireland doesn't even want the 13 billion , because if it collects, it knows Apple will be looking for a new HQ and all the Apple jobs and payroll taxes and secondary economic activity will leave Ireland. Really, Ireland helped US companies evade tax, but the EU is just codifying this unfair advantage of Irish tax law as "state aid". The EU made Ireland close the "Double Irish" arrangement in 2015 ( https://en.wikiped…
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#7213 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ireland doesn't even want the 13 billion , because if it collects, it knows Apple will be looking for a new HQ and all the Apple jobs and payroll taxes and secondary economic activity will leave Ireland. Really, Ireland helped US companies evade tax, but the EU is just codifying this unfair advantage of Irish tax law as "state aid". The EU made Ireland close the "Double Irish" arrangement in 2015 ( https://en.wikiped…
Would Ireland consider leaving the EU?
In fact, these economic arrangements with MNC’s are rather unpopular - especially given native businesses don’t get the same tax breaks.
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#741 km of freeway is 10-40 million so 325-1300 km of freeway. 1 km of high speed train line is 20-60 million so 216-650 km of high speed train Ireland's healthcare spending was 22.3 Bn in 2023, so 13 Bn covers 7 months of healthcare for the country. I see the OP included "In € 2.24Bn National Childrens Hospitals? 5.8 National Childrens Hospitals" so they're on the right track. We're talking about state spending here so…
> 1 km of high speed train line is 20-60 million so 216-650 km of high speed train In America, that's how much it costs to build a 30km elevated train that goes ~45km/h (and it isn't going to be finished until ~25 years after work started): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyline_(Honolulu)#Revised_sch... I am totally for trains, BTW, but I wish we'd hire EU and/or JP train builders to plan and build our trains.
Nor is the problem “bureaucracy” as a sibling comment said—actually the opposite is true, we need more “bureaucrats” with technical expertise to oversee contractors so the taxpayers don’t get our lunch eaten. We have gutted all technical expertise from government and now we often outsource the oversight to even more contractors (sometimes the same ones doing the designing and building!). Results are predictable.
We also have a huge problem with litigation and “regulation by litigation” as a replacement for actual “bureaucratic” oversight. Agencies conduct insanely expensive years-long public feedback programs and environmental studies (never mind that electric rail is innately good for the environment) for fear of lawsuits, which happen anyway and delay things even more. Instead of regulation by litigation, the government should step up and provide a clear set of achievable regulations, and if agencies/companies meet them, they can start building.
The countries that do rail infrastructure really well and really cheaply are not always the ones you expect—some are stereotyped as lazy and bureaucratic (Italy, Spain) and some are thought to be places where everything is expensive (Switzerland, Norway). We have a lot to learn, but often we tell ourselves that it just can’t apply to us because we’re so exceptional.
For details on the specific problems and solutions: https://transitcosts.com/
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#7513 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...
What would the cost be for the same distance in other parts of the world? Even accounting for inefficiencies, do you have any data on that? A quick search seems to put SF at the top [1]. [1] https://pedestrianobservations.com/2020/09/13/the-costs-of-s...
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#77Apple isn’t paying that
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#7813 billion euros = 2 miles of subway in SF downtown [1] [1] https://www.transit.dot.gov/sites/fta.dot.gov/files/2024-05/...