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Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by knr2345 »

danesparza wrote: post #27
GrinningFool wrote: post #11

This looks good, but I'm not clear why it's a subscription. I'm happy to pay for upgrades when a new version with new features is offered; and I'm happy to not pay if the new version isn't compelling enough. (Sometimes support for major OS upgrades is enough of a feature.) I'm increasingly disinclined to feed the subscription-based software economy, especially for the personal tools I use.

Yeah -- I was confused too. Is the subscription just for the client, or does it come with an email account?

The subscription is for the client.

While Swift Mail is a Fastmail Platform Partner, it is not affiliated with Fastmail (or others) and does not offer email services directly.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by LVB »

happymellon wrote: post #67
LVB wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've purchased "Due" via the App Store, and it tells me I'm entitled to free feature upgrades for 1 year, shows a date when my unlock period expires, and offers a longer-term subscription. So it must be possible.

After the expiration are you still able to access the older version?

Yes. They seem to gate on a feature-by-feature basis, know when you bought the license, and you don't get access to the new features after 1 year (unless you're on their subscription plan). You do continue to get the latest app, which includes bug fixes, but the features released past expiration aren't available to you. https://dueapp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360053244591-Wh...

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by knr2345 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #13
GrinningFool wrote: post #11

This looks good, but I'm not clear why it's a subscription. I'm happy to pay for upgrades when a new version with new features is offered; and I'm happy to not pay if the new version isn't compelling enough. (Sometimes support for major OS upgrades is enough of a feature.) I'm increasingly disinclined to feed the subscription-based software economy, especially for the personal tools I use.

Same! I like Sketch's and other app's approach. Keep the version forever, 1 year free upgrades. Great work! Will def. try it out

I'm a fan of Sketch's approach as well, along with Panic's approach to Nova's licensing, which I believe is similar.

Unfortunately, as a solo developer on macOS, some of the more complicated approaches don't seem feasible from a maintenance and support standpoint—at least not initially. I hope to stick with the macOS App Store as well, which I assume adds additional complexity since that type of offering is not supported natively by the framework (to my knowledge anyway).

I would like to explore additional options in the future, but I don't see any major overhauls happening in year 1.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by alexschnapp »

pembrook wrote: post #58
freetanga wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my house. I bought my car. I bought my laptop. I bought my servers. I don’t need to pay for them every month. In broad terms I am tired of having to make a paycheck every month and having a long list of companies wanting to take a slice from it for “making my life magically better”. Hidden price hikes, dark patterns to cancel, etc.

You haven’t addressed any of my questions, but I’ll play along. Im also tired of having to pay my employees a slice of my revenue every month for “making my business magically better.” Hidden salary demands, dark patterns to fire them, etc. I own my car. I own my laptop. Why can’t I own you? I guess what I’m saying is, why do you think the code you write for your employer deserves to be sold on a subscription model (…

Wait this doesn’t make sense. They own the code I wrote for them. The ‘subscription’ is for future updates of that code. They can keep the version and never update. If I quit they still have what I wrote.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by knr2345 »

smcleod wrote: post #70

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Thank you! The response caught me by surprise. Working on this now & adding a few links below for ref in the meantime:

https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1595671863?pt=12263...

https://twitter.com/SwiftMail_io

https://mastodon.social/@SwiftMail

mailto:contact@swiftmail.io

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by knr2345 »

Apologies for the website bandwidth issue! The response caught me by surprise.

Working on this now & adding a few links below for ref in the meantime:

https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1595671863?pt=12263...

https://twitter.com/SwiftMail_io

https://mastodon.social/@SwiftMail

mailto:contact@swiftmail.io

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by joshmanders »

freetanga wrote: post #49
pembrook wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you work? How does the business that pays your salary make its money? Do they pay you for your efforts on a subscription based model or a one time-payment + ownership model?

I bought my house. I bought my car. I bought my laptop. I bought my servers. I don’t need to pay for them every month. In broad terms I am tired of having to make a paycheck every month and having a long list of companies wanting to take a slice from it for “making my life magically better”. Hidden price hikes, dark patterns to cancel, etc.

Your house and car also have monthly subscriptions that come with them. Electricity, gas, etc.

Probably not a good comparison.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by Nextgrid »

vel0city wrote: post #26

Aside from the obvious FOSS arguments, what are the big positives to JMAP for me as a user over using a client that supports Exchange?

It's HTTP-based and every request is stateless compared to IMAP, so it should tolerate unreliable connections better. IMAP in contrast is stateful and the process of establishing that state requires more round-trips, so connection establishment is slower.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by earthnail »

LVB wrote: post #72
happymellon wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the expiration are you still able to access the older version?

Yes. They seem to gate on a feature-by-feature basis, know when you bought the license, and you don't get access to the new features after 1 year (unless you're on their subscription plan). You do continue to get the latest app, which includes bug fixes, but the features released past expiration aren't available to you. https://dueapp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360053244591-Wh...

That is so much more work than simply not getting the latest update. Imagine if sth like IntelliJ put everything behind feature gates instead of just telling you to download an older version…

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by outcoldman »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #65
outcoldman wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you just use the background refresh, and fetch for new emails like every 5-10 minutes or something? Email is not messaging, don't really care if I receive some email 5–10 minutes later, unless I am expecting email (like email verification), than I will be opening the mail app by myself.

Problem with that is that earliestBeginDate means that you can request a no-earlier-than begin date. iOS does not guarantee it will run ON that date, or within x time-units. It merely provides a minimum delay until it MAY get scheduled.

Sure. I understand. But that is something I can leave with. Even just once a day pull the email for me and notify that I have new emails. If I expect anything right now, I will open my email app and refresh it.

I don’t get notifications when my real mail arrives, I just go every other day and check.

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