I saw the popup just once, I updated most of the filters used by uBlockOrigin and I haven't seen it since.
Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
My ideal getaway car would include an automated drone which flies into the store to exfiltrate the codes from the prepaid cards, and present them as credits in my phone, ignoring the mess of walking inside, paying, and typing into my phone that the retailer futilely demands.
This analogy isn't even close.
Indeed, it's exact, not just close.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#73I use YouTube to watch videos of news uploaded on their YouTube channel like CNN and NBC and etc, I'm wondering what's the YouTube alternative for me?
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#74It would be nice if browsers were able to get around all these kinds of shenanigans directly, instead of having to always reach for extensions and addons and endlessly participate in this cat and mouse game. After all, the browser is supposed to be the user's agent. Its job is to do what the user wants and fetch the content that the user asks for. Somewhere along the path, we've made a terrible turn and allowed the b…
You can use NoScript to disable JS and see how well that works. But more to the point, yes, a browser is a client, but without the economic incentive of either ads or direct monetization from users, many sites, YouTube included, would simply not work. Storage and bandwith costs money. Unless we decided to somehow fund all of this through some sort of additional tax through the ISPs or governments, ads or subscription…
Storage and bandwidth cost money, but not $14/month. You can get a server for yourself for that kind of money, and I don't think YouTube has a server per user.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#75It would be nice if browsers were able to get around all these kinds of shenanigans directly, instead of having to always reach for extensions and addons and endlessly participate in this cat and mouse game. After all, the browser is supposed to be the user's agent. Its job is to do what the user wants and fetch the content that the user asks for. Somewhere along the path, we've made a terrible turn and allowed the b…
> Somewhere along the path, we've made a terrible turn It was a variation of Eternal September that caused it. ;) The majority of users became non-technical, so the focus had shifted as browser vendors needed to cater to different audiences.
Not needed, but could. Google simply exploited that possibility, from the start.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think firefox could reasonably do this, just because a significant part of their funding comes directly from google. And maybe more relevant, having this be default behavior would just cause the cat-and-mouse to get worse, when the majority of users are now blocking it with no effort, and the bean-counters notice the ad impression numbers suddenly dropping.
this is true from a practical standpoint. It's like an adult watching a child's idealism and knowing the child is right. I'm not calling the OP a child, I'm saying the OP is right and the world sucks.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am using ubO too, I just purged the cache and updated the filters, still experiencing the same issue. Maybe YT is still testing this and haven't rolled out the blocking on everyone just yet?
with ubO you can tell it to remove elements from a page permanently (every time it's loaded). I just used the picker, removed the elements, saved it, and haven't looked back. I also did this with the stack overflow nag.
Yeah I did this too, but my use case is ordered playlists of songs, and now every video pauses itself after a few seconds.
Gonna try the ublock reset as outlined above, failing that I'll test uMatrix to turn off / lobotomise specific scripts.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can use NoScript to disable JS and see how well that works. But more to the point, yes, a browser is a client, but without the economic incentive of either ads or direct monetization from users, many sites, YouTube included, would simply not work. Storage and bandwith costs money. Unless we decided to somehow fund all of this through some sort of additional tax through the ISPs or governments, ads or subscription…
Storage and bandwidth cost money, but not $14/month. You can get a server for yourself for that kind of money, and I don't think YouTube has a server per user.
Producing content also cost money, and producers get a cut of the ads or the subscription.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#79It would be nice if browsers were able to get around all these kinds of shenanigans directly, instead of having to always reach for extensions and addons and endlessly participate in this cat and mouse game. After all, the browser is supposed to be the user's agent. Its job is to do what the user wants and fetch the content that the user asks for. Somewhere along the path, we've made a terrible turn and allowed the b…
Now that DRM are part of the web standards, and TPM are generalized, it's game over.
I predict youtube will escalate this way:
- Pump up aggressive anti ad block measures.
- It will fail, so they will enforce DRM so that they have control.
- It will not be enough, so they will ask to only serve DRM to "trusted browsers".
- And it will not suffice, so the trusted browser will have to run on a trusted OS checked by hardware.
That will work since almost nobody will take the risk to jailbreak their expensive device.
And we will all have lost.
Re: Show HN: Firefox add-on to open YouTube videos in alternative front ends
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Storage and bandwidth cost money, but not $14/month. You can get a server for yourself for that kind of money, and I don't think YouTube has a server per user.
Producing content also cost money, and producers get a cut of the ads or the subscription.
This kind of fantasy microeconomics debate is silly at best, disingenuous at worst. We are talking about a company with $280B in revenue per year and one of the highest profit margins in America. How they spend that money is not connected to what is fair or what makes some kind of logical sense in your head. It's connected to whatever will increase their profits further.
All you are doing is laying down cover fire to support further advances by an abusive monopolist. YouTube's financials don't HAVE to add up. Google owns advertising for the entire Internet! The entirety of YT could be a loss leader just to suppress the growth of streaming video businesses outside of their control, and the Google monopoly would carry on.