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Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the first place, and I wouldn't trust the results of the transcription to be correct.

My doctor could vet it for accuracy, I suppose, but why? He's already putting his notes in my records anyway.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #71

As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the first place, and I wouldn't trust the results of the transcription to be correct. My doctor could vet it for accuracy, I suppose, but why? He's already putting his notes in my records anyway.

It takes 40% of your doctor time to put his notes in your medical records. We have been testing with doctors to reduce this time drastically so that they can spend more quality time with you. We also interviewed a lot of patients who take notes to be able to remember what’s been discussed during a consultation. So it could also benefit the patient

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #70

Is Whisper really up to this? When I've used it, it's...fine. But it also randomly dreams up weird transcriptions that have nothing to do with what's actually being said, and with perfect audio too. Like the audio will be a presentation at a tech conference, and Whisper will predict "check out our site at randomlink.com", when no one said anything close to that. I'd be pretty concerned if my doctor relied on this to…

Good point, this is why we finetune Whisper with our own medical dataset to improve the performance

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #72
post #71

As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the first place, and I wouldn't trust the results of the transcription to be correct. My doctor could vet it for accuracy, I suppose, but why? He's already putting his notes in my records anyway.

It takes 40% of your doctor time to put his notes in your medical records. We have been testing with doctors to reduce this time drastically so that they can spend more quality time with you. We also interviewed a lot of patients who take notes to be able to remember what’s been discussed during a consultation. So it could also benefit the patient

Your response completely ignores the concerns raised in the comment you are replying to. "It saves your doctor 40% of their time" is not a reasonable response to "I don't want my private medical details divulged to a third party".

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #72
post #71

As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the first place, and I wouldn't trust the results of the transcription to be correct. My doctor could vet it for accuracy, I suppose, but why? He's already putting his notes in my records anyway.

It takes 40% of your doctor time to put his notes in your medical records. We have been testing with doctors to reduce this time drastically so that they can spend more quality time with you. We also interviewed a lot of patients who take notes to be able to remember what’s been discussed during a consultation. So it could also benefit the patient

> that they can spend more quality time with you

Maybe its just the doc offices i've been to, but i think this would actually just increase the patient churn in a hospital. There's no way a doc is going to increase their patient time by the 40% saved if the hospital can toss them in front of another patient.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #16

I feel uncomfortable knowing doctor would use anything like this. How are 2 party consent states handled? Is this HIPPA compliant?

Imagine a doctor instead mumbled his notes in a non native accent into a dictation machine, and had someone on minimum wage type them up?

That job is known as a medical scribe.

https://www.scribeamerica.com/what-is-a-medical-scribe/

> A Medical Scribe is a revolutionary concept in modern medicine. Traditionally, a physician's job has been focusing solely on direct patient contact and care. However, the advent of the Electronic Health Record (EHR) created an overload of documentation and clerical responsibilities that slows physicians down and pulls them away from actual patient care. To relieve the documentation overload, physicians across the country are turning to Medical Scribe services.

> A Medical Scribe is essentially a personal assistant to the physician; performing documentation in the EHR, gathering information for the patient's visit, and partnering with the physician to deliver the pinnacle of efficient patient care.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #16

I feel uncomfortable knowing doctor would use anything like this. How are 2 party consent states handled? Is this HIPPA compliant?

This! No mention of HIPAA on their site at all. Would be a total non-starter for any providers not in private practice.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Last time I went to the doctor, he charged me $300 to google symptoms on a computer. Now you're saying I get to pay $300 for him to ask ChatGPT? No thanks. We all know that is where this is going - doctor decision support system, i.e. the AI has access to information locked behind expensive journals that the patient does not.

I would want my doctor to Google things. No one knows everything, but I expect an expert to know where to look. If he used Google the same way I do, he'd know which results are reliable. Doctors who finish med school and never consult a resource ever again cannot be good doctors.

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Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #35
post #6

Last time I went to the doctor, he charged me $300 to google symptoms on a computer. Now you're saying I get to pay $300 for him to ask ChatGPT? No thanks. We all know that is where this is going - doctor decision support system, i.e. the AI has access to information locked behind expensive journals that the patient does not.

I would want my doctor to Google things. No one knows everything, but I expect an expert to know where to look. If he used Google the same way I do, he'd know which results are reliable. Doctors who finish med school and never consult a resource ever again cannot be good doctors.

Sure, but as an example, I paid a lawyer who presents that they are an expert in real estate. And I later find out they have zero understanding of legal non-conforming permits. It was a key factor I made clear upfront before I hired them.

I shouldn't have to pay for your time so you can educate yourself on the thing you purported to know before I hired you. Especially when the hourly rates are in the hundreds of dollars.

So there is some balance there. And doctors are using software that spits them out shit in real-time and then they send you on your way with some printed info you can readily find on the web.

I just had a knee issue and the doctor thought it may be a torn meniscus. Didn't have me do any range of motion movements. We just chatted and he said I think it is this. Take an xray. Bye.

I go get an xray and results come back the next day over the app. All he says in the app - "xray is normal".

So I'm thinking what the hell. That's where you leave it? So what. Should we do an MRI? What's next. You gave me an anti-inflammatory and your guess was apparently wrong. What a shitty engineer this person would be.

Tech can help in some cases. I like getting lab results back in the app. I like that I can follow up with chat later.

But I fear it's making doctors less effective. And the best ones will be the ones that maintain their traditional craft and nuance even with all the fancy new tools and tech that save them time.

Just like everyone is a React developer these days. Tech and advances can make many people sloppy. And dumber. It can push away great talent due to mandates of the tech or process. And attract new talent that is worse.

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