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Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by echopom »

delhanty wrote: post #66
robenkleene wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At face value this seems like it could apply to a bunch of different categories (e.g., another text editor, another todo list, another chat app, etc...)? Yes, most new software in every category fails, but every once in awhile one succeeds, and that's how we make progress. The failures along the way just seem like a necessary byproduct of progress.

>Yes, most new software in every category fails, but every once in awhile one succeeds, and that's how we make progress. +100 Also, I'm rather uncomfortable when a "Show HN" gets dumped upon - furthermore with no actual specific criticism, let alone advice on how to improve. What happened to that "Be kind. Don't be snarky." from the guidelines?

It was never my intention to be "shitting" on anyone.

Just a feeling of exasperation when seeing the product.

Someone in the comments confirmed what I said

Created an equivalent for bootstrap but abandoned it for the reasons I have written.

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by ramraj07 »

can16358p wrote: post #53

I don't believe we need an IDE for React, it will end up dead like Dreamweaver or FrontPage. BUT, a Vscode plugin that visualizes self-contained components with all its styles intact would be nice: like I open MyComponent.tsx and in the right pane I see it visually, without running the actual webpage or server.

I’ve deployed serviceable small websites for my family and friends when I was a kid with Dreamweaver and Frontpage. As long as they support the marquee tag what are you complaining?

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by user3939382 »

mbreese wrote: post #70
beshur wrote: post #50

Sorry, I could not go farther in the video after watching the narrator trying to accurately click on all those inputs, dropdowns etc. simultaneously saying "writing this in code would be annoying". In my opinion using mouse pointer to click things on screen is annoying when it comes to programming.

I find mocking things up is better done visually. Whether that’s pen/paper, Illustrator, or a GUI builder like this. I think they serve the same purpose. The only difference is that with this, you’re closer to getting a final asset you can tweak with code. GUI builders have a long history. But the best of them produce code you can commit to git. But, I guess the real question of usefulness is how good (or sane) the g…

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Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by delhanty »

echopom wrote: post #71
delhanty wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yes, most new software in every category fails, but every once in awhile one succeeds, and that's how we make progress. +100 Also, I'm rather uncomfortable when a "Show HN" gets dumped upon - furthermore with no actual specific criticism, let alone advice on how to improve. What happened to that "Be kind. Don't be snarky." from the guidelines?

It was never my intention to be "shitting" on anyone. Just a feeling of exasperation when seeing the product. Someone in the comments confirmed what I said Created an equivalent for bootstrap but abandoned it for the reasons I have written.

> Just a feeling of exasperation when seeing the product.

Well maybe you're not the target market then? It looks like a no-code rather than low-code effort, and I'm hazarding a guess that you're a dev and so ...

> It was never my intention to be "shitting" on anyone.

I'm sure that you didn't.

Here's the thing: this is a "Show HN" - somebody has been brave enough to show their new thing to the community. People vary - some are much more sensitive than average, particularly in a community like this that self-identifies as not-average, and will take the mildest criticism very personally.

If something's not for you, there's always the option of not commenting, or at least starting out by saying something encouraging to soften the blow.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by qwerki »

Disappointing to see the top comments are not encouraging of your efforts. This is not an easy undertaking and it's clear you've put a lot of time into it – you should be commended. I wish you the best of luck and look forward to seeing more of your work!

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by simonmorg »

The website does not tell me much. With this tool, what are the optimum use cases?

I don't mind tools, such as low code platforms, that simplify the dev process for simple tasks - like Budibase for example. But I think these tools need purpose and an understanding of their capabilities - it would be good to know what aspect is best at.

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by rylandking »

can16358p wrote: post #53

I don't believe we need an IDE for React, it will end up dead like Dreamweaver or FrontPage. BUT, a Vscode plugin that visualizes self-contained components with all its styles intact would be nice: like I open MyComponent.tsx and in the right pane I see it visually, without running the actual webpage or server.

Similar is https://stackbit.com/. I've used it to make my React website visually editable so my marketers could have a WYSIWYG.

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by criley2 »

mbreese wrote: post #70
beshur wrote: post #50

Sorry, I could not go farther in the video after watching the narrator trying to accurately click on all those inputs, dropdowns etc. simultaneously saying "writing this in code would be annoying". In my opinion using mouse pointer to click things on screen is annoying when it comes to programming.

I find mocking things up is better done visually. Whether that’s pen/paper, Illustrator, or a GUI builder like this. I think they serve the same purpose. The only difference is that with this, you’re closer to getting a final asset you can tweak with code. GUI builders have a long history. But the best of them produce code you can commit to git. But, I guess the real question of usefulness is how good (or sane) the g…

I find that mocking is best done by product/designers and not engineers, and that the skills to make a wonderful user experience are about as opposite from the skills of being a talented js/typescript/react/redux/devos etc engineer as can be.

When I get a feature to implement in react, I expect the mocks to completed. We do our design work in figma and it's already a wonderful tool for mocking up our react app.

The point of an 'all-in-one' mock and code tool seems strange. Is it to get rid of designers (which is bad because UX/accessibility/design is yet another skill to add ontop of the devops pile that will not be handled at a high level) or is it to get rid of the engineer (so that the product team can create a react app without an expensive coder, which is bad because shit is going to break and no one is going to know how to fix it).

Perhaps this is intended for very small companies (~single person shops) where like it or not you're doing everything so anything that simplifies the process is a value add.

The project looks very cool though, and he can definitely put together a form faster with this tool than I can writing it all out by hand. I wonder how the experience gets when you're in the weeds of custom components, hooks, props and all of the sauce that makes react complicated.

Re: Show HN: A Visual IDE for React

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Post by [deleted] »

simonmorg wrote: post #77

The website does not tell me much. With this tool, what are the optimum use cases? I don't mind tools, such as low code platforms, that simplify the dev process for simple tasks - like Budibase for example. But I think these tools need purpose and an understanding of their capabilities - it would be good to know what aspect is best at.

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