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Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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One can have their own opinion on whether brexit should have happened, but it’s extremely hard to argue that the tories haven’t been handling this poorly.

Yes, one can certainly argue about whether they've handled the fuel shortage well. However, I'm not sure if anyone else would have handled it any better. One way to look at it is that they've left the ball where it should be: with the haulage firms who must now pay more for drivers. It's not really the government's job to ensure that private haulage and petrochemical firms have as much access to cheap labour as they…

> One way to look at it is that they've left the ball where it should be: with the haulage firms who must now pay more for drivers.

Of course, this is actually sign of governmental incompetence. Yes, haulage firms will need to pay more, obviously. But the process of raising wages, training, and hiring drivers is a slow process. Even if every haulage firm decided overnight to raise wages high enough to attract new applicants, it will take months to train all of these people to become truck drivers. To expect the supply chain to handle just a sudden shock like this was very, very foolish of them.

Oh, and there's a bunch of non-wage stuff too, like Priti Patel threatening to arrest any truck driver who has an illegal immigrant in their truck, whether or not they were aware of them. I'm sure this won't have a chilling effect on cross-border trucking, will it?

Also, it's not exactly like the Tory party is the party of "you should pay your workers more", now is it?

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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If everyone is panic buying, the only solution to your own fuel problems is to buy as well. This is ultimately worse for society, but the only rational response as a single actor.

Surely there's another (partial) solution - reduce your own demand for fuel. Cars are generally overused in western countries which I think is one factor in the obesity pandemic.

That's an idealistic sentiment, but the fact is that some people have no alternative to car ownership. They either live in the middle of nowhere, or their job is very hard to impossible to get to without a car, or they have poor transport links. Ultimately, for some it's about survival and the inability to work from home.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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The NYT does not have an axe to grind with Brexit, an issue for a foreign country. Even when it does have an axe to grind, it's default flex is "to both sides" an issue to the point of parody. Yet even the NYT can see the elephant in the room the UK media refuses to address. Don't trust the NYT? https://www.vox.com/22700343/uk-fuel-crisis-brexit-covid-19-... https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/brexit-fuel-foo…

The NYT is famous for having consistently hyperbolic negative coverage of things in the U.K. Edit: sources for those who don’t believe me: What’s the New York Times’s problem with Britain? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-s-the-new-york-time... The New York Times’ bizarre campaign against Britain https://unherd.com/2020/01/what-has-the-new-york-times-got-a... The New York Times is junk.

The New York Times may well be junk, but you're not helping your argument with articles from Unherd and Spectator, both notorious "rent-a-quote" right-wing rags of ill repute. Next you'll be quoting Spiked.

I've also provided links from other sources if you find NYT unpalatable.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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The fuel crisis in the UK has been great at being EV advocates out of the woodwork, but our infrastructure for charging cars is appalling and as I cycled I rather smugly saw queues at the ev chargers too. But something like this for EVs that also shows the cost of charging would be great. Yes I know about zap map, etc... But in my area the choices are poor, the availability difficult to discover (rate limited and pol…

We're talking about only selling EVs from 2030, but the state of EV chargers, especially in urban areas, is absolutely dire. And there doesn't seem to be enough recognition of that. Take for example the London borough of Haringey. There's 81 publicly accessible EV charging points, and they're making a song and dance about installing a further 37. https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/travel/... How man…

I honestly think it will never be about EVs but about creating opportunities to increase tax.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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To combat your anecdata: I have an ev, and a pile of solar, I charge at home on a standard plug that goes into a wall socket. I don’t use any grid power and my car stays charged. I don’t put any strain on the grid. Pretty obvious how ev ownership will play out. More chargers, more pv.

I'm not sure what "more pv" means here, apologies. I see your point, in your situation that's great, but I live in an Nth floor apartment in a London borough, I don't have an option for solar, nor for a wall socket to power an EV, nor do any of my neighbours. We're entirely at the mercy of Freeholders to consider putting EV charging in and _only_ charging us the price of a small motor vehicle for the privilege, if th…

I would guess that charge stations in place of existing petrol/gas stations will become a thing, they will have very large solar installs.

I think solar will find its way onto every surface we can get it on. Distributed power networks are much easier to deal with than centralised ones.

You are right property developers are likely to shirk their responsibility here. But I think there will be a lot of charge Business popping up, doing deals with councils etc

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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For those not in the UK wondering what this is all about: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/24/what-is-cau...

The overriding sentiment right now is isolated shortages have turned into widespread shortages because of panic buying, not actual shortages or HGV driver shortages.

Of course, it’s not the governance that has failed. The problem is your fellow citizens.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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The fuel crisis in the UK has been great at being EV advocates out of the woodwork, but our infrastructure for charging cars is appalling and as I cycled I rather smugly saw queues at the ev chargers too. But something like this for EVs that also shows the cost of charging would be great. Yes I know about zap map, etc... But in my area the choices are poor, the availability difficult to discover (rate limited and pol…

We're talking about only selling EVs from 2030, but the state of EV chargers, especially in urban areas, is absolutely dire. And there doesn't seem to be enough recognition of that. Take for example the London borough of Haringey. There's 81 publicly accessible EV charging points, and they're making a song and dance about installing a further 37. https://www.haringey.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/travel/... How man…

EV chargers are easier to install than gas stations though; you can add them to an underground car park in a year or less, no problem.

We created gas stations in less time, and they’re bigger and more logistically intense.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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Suggestion: allow override of the geolocation-derived search epicentre, it's not always (read: has never been reliable for me, unless I'm using a device with a GPS chip). I do appreciate that's the primary aim for this project, rather than desktop, though. Also, perhaps display where it thinks you are too, so you can determine if it's massively off.

Or provide a fallback for when you don't want to share location - like manual postcode entry

I agree. I wanted to check using curiosity but I’m not in the UK so the site does nothing.

That said I do like defaults and fewer settings etc.

Re: Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely there's another (partial) solution - reduce your own demand for fuel. Cars are generally overused in western countries which I think is one factor in the obesity pandemic.

That's an idealistic sentiment, but the fact is that some people have no alternative to car ownership. They either live in the middle of nowhere, or their job is very hard to impossible to get to without a car, or they have poor transport links. Ultimately, for some it's about survival and the inability to work from home.

"Some" - but importantly - not "all"
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