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Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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This is wildly un-new. Mutual insurance companies have existed for literally hundreds of years. Oldest one I can find in 5 minutes dates to 1762, and if you include merchant insurance organizations, probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_insurance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equitable_Life_Assurance_S...

Statefarm is owned by its policy holders.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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The difference is that we're a fully regulated insurance company (as opposed to brokers like Guevara or other p2p insurance startups). It means that we can control the experience end to end and build an insurance company with a different business model than how traditional insurance companies do business. This is why we can give unclaimed money back to charity.

Why not give unclaimed money back to the consumer? Like a mutual insurance company, wouldnt that dissaude more folks from filing fraudulent* claims?

From the TechCrunch article earlier, allegedly NY has a law that prohibits that.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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It looks like these are the companies that are really insuring you: Lloyd’s of London, Berkshire Hathaway’s National Indemnity, XL Catlin etc. Basically they are buying a policy from one of those companies adding 20% and selling it to you. A insurance company works by spreading risk over a large area. By selling everything in NY they are increasing their correlation which raises risk. One of the reasons for the sub p…

There's a difference between insurance and reinsurance. It looks like they're only reinsured through those companies, but the policy itself is underwritten by Lemonade. Reinsurance is basically insurance for the insurance co, for instance if a hurricane hits NYC and wipes out all of their policyholders at once. (It's a bit complicated because there actually are many insurance co's that only sell insurance underwritte…

NYC is a useful place to start in that it's a huge market and has some of the toughest regulation in the country.

If you're rental focused, stuff like hurricanes aren't as big a deal because most perils are excluded or out of scope. The roof is your landlord's problem.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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This is wildly un-new. Mutual insurance companies have existed for literally hundreds of years. Oldest one I can find in 5 minutes dates to 1762, and if you include merchant insurance organizations, probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_insurance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equitable_Life_Assurance_S...

Is that a bad thing? It just means that it's an existing market, done better. Your comment reminds me a lot of the first criticism of the iPod "less space than a jukebox" or the guy who berated Dropbox by calling it a dumb GUI to rsync.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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post #55

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Just because a business is using a proven model, doesn't mean it can't be a "hot new startup". Good for those businesses with sound fundamentals made accessible through new technology.

Slack is a perfect example of this.

ircd-hybrid or bust!

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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Probably 20% (edit, now that I think of it, maybe up to 50%) of "hot new startups" I see posted to the front page of HN on a weekly basis are an existing business model with a slick web 2.0 front end, CSS/HTML5, etc, a marketing department run by generation Y and some mobile app developers.

Just because a business is using a proven model, doesn't mean it can't be a "hot new startup". Good for those businesses with sound fundamentals made accessible through new technology.

this. It doesn't matter who does it first, it matters who does it best.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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That comment wasn't about a bug. This person is saying that you require too much information to get a quote. And I agree.

The fact that @gilsadis didn't understand this this suggests to me that they are in entirely the wrong business.

That's pretty harsh. If misinterpreting a comment on a forum is reason to dismiss a whole team then I don't think any of us would be qualified for anything.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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I will answer you as nobody else will. Hacker News users are interested in this idea, but don't want to divulge their actual address to get a "price quote". Ideally, they'd like to give their zip code and get a round-about dollar figure they can use to compare to their current pricing.

Fair enough. The reason we ask for your name first is because we want to create a more personal chat experience. We believe that buying insurance should not only be instant but also delightful.

Change your funnel to ask for zipcode instead of address and less people will leak out. Asking for name is fine.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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It looks like these are the companies that are really insuring you: Lloyd’s of London, Berkshire Hathaway’s National Indemnity, XL Catlin etc. Basically they are buying a policy from one of those companies adding 20% and selling it to you. A insurance company works by spreading risk over a large area. By selling everything in NY they are increasing their correlation which raises risk. One of the reasons for the sub p…

No, this is absolutely wrong. The housing crisis happened because people did not appropriately price risk and subprime mortgage bonds with poor underlying mortgages were rated highly and then leveraged 30:1 by banks like GS and BoA. An extra billion dollars in insurance exposure to the greater NY area will not precipitate the another financial crisis.

Re: Show HN: Lemonade – the world's first P2P insurance company

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I got to "enter your name" and leaked out of the funnel. I'm willing to give up my zip code to find out how you compare to my current provider. Give me some good rates to entice me out of the rest of my data.

Hey, thanks for trying. Can you share more details? Browser, device, etc. It seems like everything works properly on our end

@gilsadis, in response to your request for information above:

As others related, this isn't a bug report. This is about the design of your conversion funnel and the appropriateness of what levels of information I will consent to offering while your site is attempting to build a relationship with me.

When you don't know me, you can have my zip code. Show me some awesome rates based on my zip code, and maybe then I'll give you my name or email address. I don't want to leave mouse droppings of personal information all over the internet unless I am intent on engaging with your company. Got it?

And here's the truth. I am in the process of examining and amending my insurance coverage because we are deleting a car. So you lost a qualified hot lead. So hand that data to your hippo.

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