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Re: Show HN: Collapse Comments on Hacker News

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If you click on a comment's timestamp to go to its page, it shouldn't be greyed out there.

I think a better way to handle this would be to remove killed comments from the normal thread view altogether, but make them available to anyone ("showdead" or not) by clicking on the comment's timestamp.

How would anyone see the timestamp to click on it?

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I think a better way to handle this would be to remove killed comments from the normal thread view altogether, but make them available to anyone ("showdead" or not) by clicking on the comment's timestamp.

How would anyone see the timestamp to click on it?

Display the comment, but replace the text of the comment with [this comment has been flagged].

I almost wrote [this comment has been flagged, click the timestamp to read it], but why encourage people?

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Is that definitely the way it works? I don't think I've ever configured anything on HN and I see dead comments. I also think it's really nice - as grandparent said, it's a very clear indicator that I'm dealing with something I probably want to ignore.

What does "showdead" say in your settings (click on your username in the orange bar to get to settings)? It should be "no" if you have not changed it. You can test it on the comments on this submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11213213 There are several dead comments near the bottom that are visible if showdead is "yes", and invisible if it is "no".

Ohh, are 'dead' comments different from ones that have just been downvoted into mostly-grayness? In that case I don't actually see them, I just see undead comments :) thanks for clarifying

Re: Show HN: Collapse Comments on Hacker News

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How would anyone see the timestamp to click on it?

Display the comment, but replace the text of the comment with [this comment has been flagged]. I almost wrote [this comment has been flagged, click the timestamp to read it], but why encourage people?

Oh I get it. That's actually similar to a change we've been meaning to make, but only for [flagged] comments as opposed to all [dead] ones. I'll think about the latter.

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Display the comment, but replace the text of the comment with [this comment has been flagged]. I almost wrote [this comment has been flagged, click the timestamp to read it], but why encourage people?

Oh I get it. That's actually similar to a change we've been meaning to make, but only for [flagged] comments as opposed to all [dead] ones. I'll think about the latter.

Personally I don't like this idea. If I've chosen to turn on "showdead", why hide dead comments from me? I've explicitly indicated I'd like to see them.

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Oh I get it. That's actually similar to a change we've been meaning to make, but only for [flagged] comments as opposed to all [dead] ones. I'll think about the latter.

Personally I don't like this idea. If I've chosen to turn on "showdead", why hide dead comments from me? I've explicitly indicated I'd like to see them.

Because if we do it this way, we won't need "showdead" any more: "dead" posts will work naturally no matter what your settings are. There's no reason to have an advanced setting to allow you to click through to a dead comment; everyone should just be able to do it.

It also neatly dodges the problem of deemphasizing toxic posts on threads; the content simply isn't displayed in the thread, but is available in a more readable form just a click away.

It will also do nice things for the formatting of the threads themselves (flagged comments on nested threads won't take up much vertical space).

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Personally I don't like this idea. If I've chosen to turn on "showdead", why hide dead comments from me? I've explicitly indicated I'd like to see them.

Because if we do it this way, we won't need "showdead" any more: "dead" posts will work naturally no matter what your settings are. There's no reason to have an advanced setting to allow you to click through to a dead comment; everyone should just be able to do it. It also neatly dodges the problem of deemphasizing toxic posts on threads; the content simply isn't displayed in the thread, but is available in a more re…

But I do not want it hidden, I do not want to have to click through to it. I want to see it, as my selected preference indicates.

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Because if we do it this way, we won't need "showdead" any more: "dead" posts will work naturally no matter what your settings are. There's no reason to have an advanced setting to allow you to click through to a dead comment; everyone should just be able to do it. It also neatly dodges the problem of deemphasizing toxic posts on threads; the content simply isn't displayed in the thread, but is available in a more re…

But I do not want it hidden, I do not want to have to click through to it. I want to see it, as my selected preference indicates.

Then they can keep the "showdead" option, make it behave like it does now, and the whole site will still get more intuitive for people who don't know about "showdead", to the point where 'dang will never have to explain it again.

Re: Show HN: Collapse Comments on Hacker News

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I'm pretty happy with "Hacker News Enhancement Suite", it supports this and few other nice things. [0] [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...

I use "HN Special"[1] with the visual theme turned off (it irritates me). It also offers infinite scrolling, although it makes accessing the search box a little tedious. [1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hn-special-an-addi...

Just tried it, this IMO is definitely an improvement over the Hacker News Enhancement Suite, especially when using the default HN style.

However, I frequently use HN without scripts and cookies, and I find it somewhat disappointing that it uses cookies to store its settings instead of local storage.

I'll open an issue on the repo when I find the time though.

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