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Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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How much accuracy do you lose when people are dressed up in full winter gear?

When you would wear metamaterial stealth suits maybe you can avoid being detected by our IR sensors, we're curious as to what you have available!

Incredibly accurate and anonymous seem to be at tension here. A discussion on your signal processing would be illuminating.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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Don't camera systems beat this in pretty much every way? http://www.placemeter.com/ comes to mind. You don't have to resort to infrared sensors in order to provide anonymity, but they do inherently limit you potential accuracy and metrics you can prodive. It all comes down to where the data is processed and what is made available. Also, cheap camera components are coming down fast due to economies of scale, not sure…

Yeah... I mean I appreciate that people pay lip-service to privacy but a surveillance camera that counts you as a distinct individual without your consent is an invasion of privacy. The cost is higher than the price tag, homie. Edit I am an employee of Density and definitely biased.

If a camera films you while you are on someone else's property, then I'd argue it isn't an invasion of privacy since there was no expectation of privacy to begin with.

Also, it would be nice if you would identify yourself as an employee of Density when you post comments.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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From the landing page: Camera: Real-time, Accurate Break Beam: Anonymous, Accurate Density: Real-time, Anonymous, Accurate, Cheap

Yeah, I find that claim particularly amusing since they're just using a single PIR sensor, which is far less accurate than any camera based system. There's no way that you can claim a single PIR beam is as accurate as a camera based system. There's absolutely no information on what they consider "accurate," and anything I can find on older HN threads is very vague and implies that accuracy wasn't their main focus. He…

> "With Density on a doorframe, we’ll tell you."

The landing page advertises this as an entry-level system for doorframes. It doesn't seem that this is made for costco-level swarms of people entering a large space at one time. That said, I also have my doubts on accuracy but the error margin is probably acceptable enough to most.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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I think the idea would be that this helps fill dead times. If the place is full, they don't need/want more people showing up just to be turned away. If the place is empty, then they want to advertise that to fill it back up. Also though, I think it was a 950% increase in traffic to the web pages powered by this product, not to the actual locations.

Right, the increase was on the webpages that included Density to show seating capacity.

Oh, that wasn't clear at all.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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Don't camera systems beat this in pretty much every way? http://www.placemeter.com/ comes to mind. You don't have to resort to infrared sensors in order to provide anonymity, but they do inherently limit you potential accuracy and metrics you can prodive. It all comes down to where the data is processed and what is made available. Also, cheap camera components are coming down fast due to economies of scale, not sure…

Placemeter looks very smart although they have an enterprise sales model, Density is literally giving their units away...

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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Please don't be too clever for your own good - let me Cmd-Click on the links to open in a new tab. I don't want to be taken away from your page, I want to continue reading more about YOUR product before I go to view your "partner" sites. Same goes for your API, Twitter, etc.

We agree. That was not by design. Updating.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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Something like one of those points rewards cards with rfid and this could allow a merchant to get your purchase data as you enter the premises. Then with other rfid readers throughout the store you can pinpoint where $user spends most time and adjust $coupon for them to incite purchase. Or maybe multiple IR beams like this one in different parts of the store to have traffic metrics on the floor plan. Looks very nice from the design standpoint. It is something that will not register in the mind of the customer.

If this interests you:

This type of thing can be done at the hobby level. Since this is mostly an IR sensor with wifi connectivity talking to an API and sending mqtt data.

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the landing page: Camera: Real-time, Accurate Break Beam: Anonymous, Accurate Density: Real-time, Anonymous, Accurate, Cheap

Yeah, I find that claim particularly amusing since they're just using a single PIR sensor, which is far less accurate than any camera based system. There's no way that you can claim a single PIR beam is as accurate as a camera based system. There's absolutely no information on what they consider "accurate," and anything I can find on older HN threads is very vague and implies that accuracy wasn't their main focus. He…

Most camera systems wouldn't accurately count the mob of 20 (I work on camera count analytics, and we have to correct for this)

Re: Show HN: Density – Anonymous People Counter and API

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post #68

Something like one of those points rewards cards with rfid and this could allow a merchant to get your purchase data as you enter the premises. Then with other rfid readers throughout the store you can pinpoint where $user spends most time and adjust $coupon for them to incite purchase. Or maybe multiple IR beams like this one in different parts of the store to have traffic metrics on the floor plan. Looks very nice…

There are already solutions that do this using your phone's wifi: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/10/1...
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