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Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by clickety_clack »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #58
clickety_clack wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d love to hear an IP lawyer weigh in on this, because I’ve never heard of this kind of thing before. It doesn’t seem correct that you can use trademark alone like this to extend beyond the actual word used in the trademark. Maybe it’s from licensing or something, ie maybe if a product uses the actual git product, then the git license means you can’t use the name as part of a word.

Trademark law is ridiculously slanted in favour of existing rightsholders. The most famous example I know of is "McSleep Inn", which was sued by McDonalds and forced to change their name. I think that ruling was complete bullshit, because Mc is so generic and usually a prime factor of trademark law is whether the businesses operate in similar domains, but it goes to show how broad the protections can be. Something li…

They might have been sued, but did they change the name just to settle out of court? McDonald’s failed to maintain the trademark on “Big Mac” in Europe when it actually went to a court room https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/05/big...

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

clickety_clack wrote: post #61
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trademark law is ridiculously slanted in favour of existing rightsholders. The most famous example I know of is "McSleep Inn", which was sued by McDonalds and forced to change their name. I think that ruling was complete bullshit, because Mc is so generic and usually a prime factor of trademark law is whether the businesses operate in similar domains, but it goes to show how broad the protections can be. Something li…

They might have been sued, but did they change the name just to settle out of court? McDonald’s failed to maintain the trademark on “Big Mac” in Europe when it actually went to a court room https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/05/big...

They did not settle, hence my usage of the wording "ruling" and "forced to change".

> For the reasons given the Court finds and concludes that (1) McDonald's is entitled to enforce its family of marks that are characterized by the combination of the prefix "Mc" with a generic word; (2) the name McSleep Inn is likely to cause an appreciable number of the public to be confused by believing that McSleep Inn is sponsored, associated, affiliated, connected, or endorsed by McDonald's; and (3) the adoption and use by Quality International of the name McSleep Inn was a deliberate attempt to benefit by the good will and reputation of McDonald's. Therefore, the Court will find trademark infringement, unfair competition, and dilution under the Illinois statute (Ill.Rev.Stat. Ch. 140, § 22).

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/6...

I suppose it's not surprising that Europe is less favorable to frivolous trademark claims made by American corporations than America is.

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by dang »

jacques_chester wrote: post #29

It is ... problematic ... to lead with "anti-AI" and then bury terms like "judicious in our use of it" in the fine print. IMO a team like yours can either: * Use LLMs, in which case you aren't "anti-AI". * Not use LLMs currently, but the non-use is not due to following a principle, in which case you aren't "anti-AI". * Not use LLMs and promise never to do so. I'm happy you are trying something new. But you hurt yours…

I've taken that bit out of the title for the time being, since it was causing confusion.

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by Sailemi »

Big fan of the design! Different but easy to get a hand of. Having /profile also be linked on the homepage with the other main pages for ease of navigation would be nice, the profile link at the bottom feels like it clashes with the rest of the UI to my eyes.

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by baepaul »

clickety_clack wrote: post #56
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #53

This is a violation of Git's trademark, and your usage of it is expressly prohibited by their policy. https://git-scm.com/about/trademark > [...] you may not use any of the Marks as a syllable in a new word or as part of a portmanteau (e.g., "Gitalicious", "Gitpedia") used as a mark for a third-party product or service. > Please be aware that GitHub and GitLab are exceptions to this Policy because they are subject to…

I’d love to hear an IP lawyer weigh in on this, because I’ve never heard of this kind of thing before. It doesn’t seem correct that you can use trademark alone like this to extend beyond the actual word used in the trademark. Maybe it’s from licensing or something, ie maybe if a product uses the actual git product, then the git license means you can’t use the name as part of a word.

thank you both for chiming in.

i will be honest and say that we didn't do our due diligence here (we simply assumed that it would be okay to do so, given the existence of GitHub, GitLab, GitKraken, GitButler, and so forth).

it does look like from digging in: https://public-inbox.org/git/20170202022655.2jwvudhvo4hmueaw...

that portmanteaus are prohibited by the policy that the Git PLC enforces, which as Jeff notes in his email above, does grant incumbent advantages to grandfathered names (e.g., GitHub, GitLab).

we'll reach out to the conservancy, ask for explicit permission, and if not, rebrand.

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by rfgplk »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #53

This is a violation of Git's trademark, and your usage of it is expressly prohibited by their policy. https://git-scm.com/about/trademark > [...] you may not use any of the Marks as a syllable in a new word or as part of a portmanteau (e.g., "Gitalicious", "Gitpedia") used as a mark for a third-party product or service. > Please be aware that GitHub and GitLab are exceptions to this Policy because they are subject to…

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Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

rfgplk wrote: post #68
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #53

This is a violation of Git's trademark, and your usage of it is expressly prohibited by their policy. https://git-scm.com/about/trademark > [...] you may not use any of the Marks as a syllable in a new word or as part of a portmanteau (e.g., "Gitalicious", "Gitpedia") used as a mark for a third-party product or service. > Please be aware that GitHub and GitLab are exceptions to this Policy because they are subject to…

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> Git is open source/public domain. Trademarks don't apply to it.

Public domain and open source are two completely unrelated concepts. If open source were public domain, you could not license usage of it (MIT, GPL, etc.). What is the point of confidently asserting something you're completely ignorant about as though it were factual?

Re: Show HN: Gitdot – A better GitHub. Open-source, written in Rust

#70

Post by baepaul »

alienbaby wrote: post #64
flexagoon wrote: post #50

Feels weird to ship a website without mobile support in this day. The desktop version looks nice though

Didn't work for me even when I chose to see the desktop site in my mobile browser :/

it is based off a minimum pixel as of now, apologies.

the overall reason why we didn't ship a mobile site is that code is inherently very hard to read on mobile

and i think to do that properly, you have to design explicitly for it. (and that is not, in fact, something that i do want to vibe code)

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