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Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#62> running it scares the crap out of me A hundred times this. It's fine until it isn't. And jacking these Claws into shared conversation spaces is quite literally pushing the afterburners to max on simonw's lethal trifecta. A lot of people are going to get burned hard by this. Every blackhat is eyes-on this right now - we're literally giving a drunk robot the keys to everything.
Maybe. People have run wildly insecure phpBB and Wordpress plugins, so maybe its the same cycle again.
Those usually didn't have keys to all your data. Worst case, you lost your server, and perhaps you hosted your emails there too? Very bad, but nothing compared to the access these clawdbot instances get.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand that things can go wrong and there can be security issues, but I see at least two other issues: 1. what if, ChadGPT style, ads are added to the answers (like OpenAI said it'd do, hence the new "ChadGPT" name)? 2. what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Are we living some golden age where we can both query LLMs on the cheap and not get ad-infected answers? I read severa…
> what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Where does this idea come from? We know how much it costs to run LLMs. It's not like we're waiting to find out. AI companies aren't losing money on API tokens. What could possibly happen to make prices go 10x when they're already running at a profit? Claude Max might be a different story, but AI is going to get cheaper to run. Not randomly…
From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive) influx of capital to handle things like datacenter build obligations (10s of billions of dollars). So I don't think it's crazy to think that prices might go up quite a bit. We've already seen waves of it, like last summer when Cursor suddenly became a lot more expensive (or less functional, depending on your perspective)
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#64If you run openclaw on a spare laptop or VM and give it read only access to whatever it needs, doesn’t that eliminate most of the risk?
If you're letting it communicate with the outside world, you risk the leak and abuse of anything sensitive in the data it has access to.
s/risk/guarantee (given sufficient time)/
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#65I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…
I 100% agree, reading very obviously ai written blogs and "product pages"/readme's has turned into a real ick for me.
Just something that screams "I don't care about my product/readme page, why should you".
To be clear, no issue with using AI to write the actual program/whatever it is. It's just the readme/product page which super turns me off even trying/looking into it.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Where does this idea come from? We know how much it costs to run LLMs. It's not like we're waiting to find out. AI companies aren't losing money on API tokens. What could possibly happen to make prices go 10x when they're already running at a profit? Claude Max might be a different story, but AI is going to get cheaper to run. Not randomly…
From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…
This is my understanding as well. If GPT made money the companies that run them would be publicly traded?
Furthermore, companies which are publicly traded show that overall the products are not economical. Meta and MSFT are great examples of this, though they have recently seen opposite sides of investors appraising their results. Notably, OpenAI and MSFT are more closely linked than any other Mag7 companies with an AI startup.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2025/11/10/openai-spe...
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#67Hackernews needs a mute keywords feature. Clawd/molt-slop is mass AI psychosis on steroids.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#68> running it scares the crap out of me A hundred times this. It's fine until it isn't. And jacking these Claws into shared conversation spaces is quite literally pushing the afterburners to max on simonw's lethal trifecta. A lot of people are going to get burned hard by this. Every blackhat is eyes-on this right now - we're literally giving a drunk robot the keys to everything.
I understand that things can go wrong and there can be security issues, but I see at least two other issues: 1. what if, ChadGPT style, ads are added to the answers (like OpenAI said it'd do, hence the new "ChadGPT" name)? 2. what if the current prices really are unsustainable and the thing goes 10x? Are we living some golden age where we can both query LLMs on the cheap and not get ad-infected answers? I read severa…
Seems much more likely the cost will go down 99%. With open source models and architectural innovations, something like Claude will run on a local machine for free.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#69To be honest, when I see many vibecoded apps, I just build my own duplicate with Claude Code. It's not that useful to use someone else's vibecode. The idea is enough, or the evidence that it works for someone else means I can just build it myself with Claude Code and I can make it specific to my needs.
Yes exactly! Even non vibe coded libraries I think are losing their value as the cost of writing and maintaining your code goes to zero. Supply chain attacks are gone, no risk of license changes. No bloat from code you don't use. The code is the documentation and the configuration. The vibes are the package manager.
That's why I like this version over openclaw. I can fork it as a starting point or just give it to Claude for inspiration but either way I'm getting something tailored exactly to me.
Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…
This is my understanding as well. If GPT made money the companies that run them would be publicly traded? Furthermore, companies which are publicly traded show that overall the products are not economical. Meta and MSFT are great examples of this, though they have recently seen opposite sides of investors appraising their results. Notably, OpenAI and MSFT are more closely linked than any other Mag7 companies with an…
Going public is not a trivial thing for a company to do. You may want to bring in additional facts to support your thesis.