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Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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100% agree, like any technology it's neither inherently good nor evil. In this instance, I think it has the opportunity to democratize deep religious study in ways that used to be reserved for serious scholars. e.g. Do you know what the word "daily" in the Lord's Prayer comes from? Questions like these can engage the mind and spirit. I hope more people use the tools to fully explore their faith, instead of outsourcin…

You say you "100% agree" with the essay, and then say that LLMs are "like any technology it's neither inherently good nor evil." Did you read the essay? It says: "Instead of being merely “agnostic” as many argue, digital technology has amplified the ability of the princes of this world to feed the fallen man, to make him more docile and distracted while installing beliefs, morals, and feelings that are acceptable to…

I did read the essay. Thanks for the discussion!

"Those who use AI must always remember that it is psychologically designed to keep you typing and asking. It targets your vulnerabilities to achieve this end without any spiritual concern for your soul. To the creators of AI, your addiction to their platforms is a metric of their success.

Many have told us that AI chatbots give “good” spiritual answers that are “correct,” but as long as the underlying programming of the AI is to keep you directed onto itself, the behavior of AI is simply that of a false elder. A false elder may very well teach correctly and coat his words with a spiritual veneer, but ultimately, he wants you to focus more on himself than on Christ. Dealing with a false elder can cause a believer severe spiritual damage by distorting what should be a relationship with the divine to one of dependency with a person who seeks his own glory. Today, AI may share dogmatically correct spiritual answers, but its goal is not your salvation but for you to ceaselessly ask it more questions. The creators of AI want you to love their own creation, not the Lord Himself."

This is true with any technology, and often, in many cases many human spiritual leader.

My agreement is not to downplay the risk or natural 'amorality' of such a technology--it's clear with Grok e.g. AI can truly do evil. But LLM's are not internet porn or gambling.

Just because the current version and incentives of technology are arranged in such a way doesn't mean you can't counteract it.

The enemy will find and use new ways to enslave us - we can't reject progress because of that.

So yes, I do 100% agree with the current mission and technology. But unlike the author, I personally believe the ultimate work of Christianity in humanity is to turn us all to repentance and bring us closer to God, not to reject the sinners.

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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Stuck with a "Loading..." message. Too much traffic, maybe?

The main page? It's a static site on cloudflare - the LLM calls are openrouter and are rate limited so that might be what's going on. If you have more details, we'll investigate.

The main page loads fine, but the main content pane just shows “BIBLEX Loading…”

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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The main page? It's a static site on cloudflare - the LLM calls are openrouter and are rate limited so that might be what's going on. If you have more details, we'll investigate.

The main page loads fine, but the main content pane just shows “BIBLEX Loading…”

Strange - loads fine for me. What browser / OS are you on?

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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Which set of NT Greek manuscripts is it using? Textus Teceptus? Byzantine? Critical Text?

https://github.com/byztxt/greektext-westcott-hort

This representation has no diacritics. Is this not a problem?

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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You say you "100% agree" with the essay, and then say that LLMs are "like any technology it's neither inherently good nor evil." Did you read the essay? It says: "Instead of being merely “agnostic” as many argue, digital technology has amplified the ability of the princes of this world to feed the fallen man, to make him more docile and distracted while installing beliefs, morals, and feelings that are acceptable to…

I did read the essay. Thanks for the discussion! "Those who use AI must always remember that it is psychologically designed to keep you typing and asking. It targets your vulnerabilities to achieve this end without any spiritual concern for your soul. To the creators of AI, your addiction to their platforms is a metric of their success. Many have told us that AI chatbots give “good” spiritual answers that are “correc…

> I personally believe the ultimate work of Christianity in humanity is to turn us all to repentance and bring us closer to God, not to reject the sinners.

I'm Native American (indigenous, or whatever other moniker you've heard). Both of my paternal grandparents were subjected to the horror of boarding schools. So forgive me if I'm a bit cynical when it comes to the methods deemed appropriate by Christianity to "turn us all to repentance and bring us closer to God."

I would argue that instead of being a tool to try and convince more people that the Abrahamic god is the "right one", maybe think about using LLMs to challenge your own biases regarding religion and to question the myriad of moral and logical issues presented within your holy book.

Just a suggestion from someone also looking at the idea of utilizing LLMs to preserve and explore indigenous language, culture, and wisdom without becoming a slave to the technology.

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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I did read the essay. Thanks for the discussion! "Those who use AI must always remember that it is psychologically designed to keep you typing and asking. It targets your vulnerabilities to achieve this end without any spiritual concern for your soul. To the creators of AI, your addiction to their platforms is a metric of their success. Many have told us that AI chatbots give “good” spiritual answers that are “correc…

> I personally believe the ultimate work of Christianity in humanity is to turn us all to repentance and bring us closer to God, not to reject the sinners. I'm Native American (indigenous, or whatever other moniker you've heard). Both of my paternal grandparents were subjected to the horror of boarding schools. So forgive me if I'm a bit cynical when it comes to the methods deemed appropriate by Christianity to "turn…

We're all sinners in Christianity. The cynicism is earned and why we're not saved by works but by Grace.

LLM's here are a tool for accessing old works, which happen to coincide with my faith.

If you're using LLMs to preserve and explore indigenous texts and languages, that is an absolutely wonderful thing to do. I wish you great success.

There are an increasing number of orphan / dying / dead languages, and there could be a project to 'resurrect them' and comprehensively translate their texts to spread them more widely.

I wish you great success on your journey!

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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The main page loads fine, but the main content pane just shows “BIBLEX Loading…”

Strange - loads fine for me. What browser / OS are you on?

I’ve tried it in safari on iOS and a Mac.

Re: Show HN: Bible translated using LLMs from source Greek and Hebrew

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The Peshitta was over a few centuries. Have you never seen the threads of a rope becoming undone? To the rich man covered in wealth, it would be chaos if they love their wealth more than they love God. My point is that it makes way more sense and yes it is symbolic, but a camel never made any sense to me and to a lot of people for that matter.

Correct, the Peshitta translations of the Gospels were done in the 5th century ce. They were not closer to the Hebrew of the original as you suggested. If you like it better that's fine but it's not inherently better because it was earlier or had better understanding of original languages.

I'm saying they have less errors in some cases. What my theory is, and I'm no scholar is that there were other scrolls that are lost to time, including in Greek and Hebrew, and the Peshitta managed to capture detail from one or more of the right sources.
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