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Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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This is a really interesting view, but I'm not sure I agree. So many amazing projects are truly free without the goal of profit yet their maintainers still do amazing work. I feel like part of the reason this works is because often the load is split between several maintainers (of which I hope to onboard soon, and have one or two offers already from people to contribute) and also the fact it's genuinely something enj…

There's a difference between awesome projects that don't have a recurring cost (i.e. open source software that users run themselves) and a search engine. You cannot physically run a search engine without real-world costs today. Those funds need to come from somewhere. And offering a good product at scale costs a lot of money.

Just brainstorming here, but would a distributed search index be possible / usable with current network speeds and latency? I'm not sure how to set up the data structure to not require many high latency jumps, but maybe someone has solved this problem.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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> nilch uses the Brave search API internally for results.

I wish wrappers would stop being called search engines. Google is a search engine, and so is Bing, and Yandex, and Marginalia Search. DDG, Brave, Nilch, and Kagi are search interfaces, or search coats of paint.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#63

The fact that “no ads and no AI” reads like a luxury feature set in 2025 says a lot about the state of search. Nice reset to sane defaults.

Yeahhh I like to think of it as search like it's 2015...

Search had ads in 2015. They were just a bit less obtrusive.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

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I'm in no way an expert, but IMO there is a major misconception in the free-ish software community that profit should be at most secondary to offering a fair and as good as sustainably possible product. I strongly disagree with this. IMO developers of free-ish as in freedom products OWE it, not only to themselves, but their community to be as profitable as possible within the rules they think that should be followed…

Debian keeps doing very well.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between awesome projects that don't have a recurring cost (i.e. open source software that users run themselves) and a search engine. You cannot physically run a search engine without real-world costs today. Those funds need to come from somewhere. And offering a good product at scale costs a lot of money.

Just brainstorming here, but would a distributed search index be possible / usable with current network speeds and latency? I'm not sure how to set up the data structure to not require many high latency jumps, but maybe someone has solved this problem.

It's possible, see the YaCy project. It suffer from probably a couple of orders of magnitude too few resources (in the funding/development sense) to really be competitive though.

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#67

Right now it seems like the project is just a thin wrapper over Brave Search. Building a complete search engine is way harder than that. You could look into using https://github.com/MarginaliaSearch/MarginaliaSearch if you want to run a real search index - https://marginalia-search.com/ is powered by it.

Yup, it is pretty much just a better frontend for existing search. I want to build my own index and ranking algorithm in the future, but sadly it's quite resource intensive so it will depend on financial viability a bit in terms of timeframe.

How is it better?

Re: Show HN: My not-for-profit search engine with no ads, no AI, & all DDG bangs

#69

Why would I use this over Brave search if I were already using it? Especially when all it seems to add is a childish rant against LLMs, "G**gle" and "D*ckD*ckGo".

> all it seems to add is a childish rant against LLMs, "G*gle" and "DckDckGo"

What's childish is the way you're characterizing what was said.

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