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Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by hackingonempty »

littlestymaar wrote: post #27
arionmiles wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the biggest mobile use case where you don't want to be secretly recorded in public? This was a big concern with the original Google Glass.

The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

In the USA, at least, the right to record in public is protected by the First Amendment.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by arionmiles »

somethingsome wrote: post #58
probably_wrong wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, every beginner lockpicker makes a similar point when they realize how easy most locks are: "what's the point of locking my door if anyone can easily get in anyway?". I think the same answers apply here: because making it harder to be casually recorded sends a clear signal that you don't want it, and now the act of recording goes from being an oversight to a deliberate, sometimes punishable act.

It becomes an oversight to a deliberate act only if the recording person knows that he was detected. So that means that your anti recording glasses should signal 'no recording' in some way. Otherwise it's not really useful.. But at that point.. You can just stick a qrcode on you with the message 'no recording please look away from me'.

I think people are getting lost in the weeds here. The idea with detection is not to prevent public recording, it's to _know_ you're being recorded so you can act accordingly.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by daveoc64 »

kakacik wrote: post #59
dotancohen wrote: post #2

Interesting idea. It seems to me that most things which would need to be protected from hidden cameras would be stationary and not require the operator to mount the detectors on his body, but starting with mobile constraints is often helpful. I would like to draw attention to this gem of wit, easily the best I've seen in a long time: > I think the idea behind this approach is sound (actually it's light)

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Switzerland is quite unusual in that regard.

I would imagine most Hacker News users live in places where recording or photography in a public place is not illegal.

Your suggestion of violence certainly isn't legal in most places!

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by vigilanti »

october8140 wrote: post #48
dotancohen wrote: post #2

Interesting idea. It seems to me that most things which would need to be protected from hidden cameras would be stationary and not require the operator to mount the detectors on his body, but starting with mobile constraints is often helpful. I would like to draw attention to this gem of wit, easily the best I've seen in a long time: > I think the idea behind this approach is sound (actually it's light)

It's me. I want to be protected from hidden cameras from other peoples glasses.

Project Codename: Allen Funt

Project Description: Glasses that have a speaker and appropriately say “You’re on Candid Camera!” when it detects others being recorded.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by aprilnya »

9dev wrote: post #24

Does anyone work on smart glasses for blind people yet? Something with blackened glass, obviously, that uses image recognition to translate visual input into text via (headphone) audio to the wearer. That would allow for urgent warnings (approaching a street, walking towards obstacle [say, an electric scooter or a fence]), scene descriptions on request, or help finding things in the view field. There's probably a lot…

I’ve heard stories of people using the Meta smart glasses to help with reduced vision, i.e. asking the LLM assistant what you’re looking at, asking it to read a label, etc. The LLM assistant can see the camera feed so it is capable of doing that.

However things like the urgent warnings you mentioned don’t exist yet.

Hearing about the way people with bad vision use these glasses kind of changed my viewpoint on them to be honest; for the average person it might seem useless to be able to ask an LLM about what you’re looking at, but looking at it from an accessibility standpoint it seems like a really good idea.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by brador »

littlestymaar wrote: post #27
arionmiles wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the biggest mobile use case where you don't want to be secretly recorded in public? This was a big concern with the original Google Glass.

The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

The kinetic solution starts at misdemeanour.

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

hackingonempty wrote: post #61
littlestymaar wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of being constantly monitored by a megacorp tracking all my movements wih their swarm of cameras to feed us personalized ads is utterly dystopian indeed. But I think the only valid way yo prevent this will be legislation though, it's not a fight individuals can win on their own.

In the USA, at least, the right to record in public is protected by the First Amendment.

In most eu countries, you can record in public, but gathering identifying data ("making a database") is strictly regulated, and that includes faces from those photos. You can't even point a security camera at public areas (ie. outdoor camera recording the street infront of your house), because that's enough data to make it a "database".

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by circuit10 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #68
hackingonempty wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the USA, at least, the right to record in public is protected by the First Amendment.

In most eu countries, you can record in public, but gathering identifying data ("making a database") is strictly regulated, and that includes faces from those photos. You can't even point a security camera at public areas (ie. outdoor camera recording the street infront of your house), because that's enough data to make it a "database".

You can record in public, but you can’t point cameras at public areas? That seems contradictory

Or is it the fact that it’s always recording that makes the difference or something?

Re: Show HN: Glasses to detect smart-glasses that have cameras

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

circuit10 wrote: post #69
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most eu countries, you can record in public, but gathering identifying data ("making a database") is strictly regulated, and that includes faces from those photos. You can't even point a security camera at public areas (ie. outdoor camera recording the street infront of your house), because that's enough data to make it a "database".

You can record in public, but you can’t point cameras at public areas? That seems contradictory Or is it the fact that it’s always recording that makes the difference or something?

Short answer is its complicated and will vary from member state to member state. My parental unit had a dispute with neighbor over where his camera is pointed and filed some motion to see what he does with it ( 'not making a database' part ), but the law was mostly toothless as the enforcement of it lacked. On the other hand, the dispute part of the real estate was handed real toot sweet, because everyone and their mother cares about outcomes in those.

tldr: I wish I could tell you there is a simple tldr

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