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Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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Congratulations! Beautiful design, very simple and appealing. The onboarding flow filled me with optimism, which I appreciated.

That said, I bounced off at the pricing. The $30 lifetime price isn’t something I find inherently too expensive, but I need to see if the app works for me before committing to it. It was weird that if I went forward with the free trial it would automatically put me on the exorbitant $3/week price. That option was repellent and got me worried about forgetting to either cancel or make the purchase. Compounding the issue was uncertainty about whether I even _could_ make the lifetime purchase after accepting the free trial.

Then I lost momentum and started thinking about how I was about to drop $30 on an app that’s just some HN poster’s 4-month project, and I have no clue how crippled it will be if (when) you decide to shut down the API.

If you’re confident the app itself is habit-forming, I’d recommend just letting people use it for a couple weeks and then hitting them with the paywall. And when you’re asking for that kind of money and using the word “lifetime”, I’d describe how you’re going to guarantee that to the user, even if they’re the only person who ended up buying your app.

Edit: Now I’m stuck on the payment options screen with no way to delete my account. Not happy about that.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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Off topic, anyone building Duolingo alternative? I find the duolingo course very slow paced, gems and gamifications are just bad.

Specifically for Kanji I am building shodoku.app

It is very different from duolingo though. No gamification, only two types of cards (reading and writing) every card has basically all the information about that kanji available from the dictionary. Content is sourced directly and unaltered from a couple of open sourced dictionary, so no AI or content writing either.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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post #34

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For what it’s worth, in the iOS App Store, you can scroll down to look at the “In-App Purchases” drop down menu, and all of the prices are shown there. This is true for every app with IAP. It’s how I typically decide if I’ll download an app with IAP.

That's helpful, thank you. But I'm not even going to bother looking if an app can't clearly advertise its price. It just feels like a dark pattern, like they're intentionally trying to trick me from the very start. Maybe the price will turn out to be fine, but it's sure not building trust from the start.

That is the standard way to advertise your price in the App Store. What is more transparent than.. clearly posting your price?

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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One thing I noticed is the app doesn’t support larger fonts very well. Kind of a deal breaker for a lot of us. For example the login screen has text that overlaps making it very difficult to read or use.

noted, thank you for the feedback. I will improve on this. Didn't test this case during my development phase. Much appreciated

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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That's helpful, thank you. But I'm not even going to bother looking if an app can't clearly advertise its price. It just feels like a dark pattern, like they're intentionally trying to trick me from the very start. Maybe the price will turn out to be fine, but it's sure not building trust from the start.

That is the standard way to advertise your price in the App Store. What is more transparent than.. clearly posting your price?

I'm talking about the website that has been posted.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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post #61

Congratulations! Beautiful design, very simple and appealing. The onboarding flow filled me with optimism, which I appreciated. That said, I bounced off at the pricing. The $30 lifetime price isn’t something I find inherently too expensive, but I need to see if the app works for me before committing to it. It was weird that if I went forward with the free trial it would automatically put me on the exorbitant $3/week…

Thank you for a thorough review. It's very helpful honestly. You raise some valid concerns I will make the following changes.

- I will add an option for the user to delete their account upon hitting the paywall if they don't want to continue. - I didn't want the app to be free to begin with as it doesn't attract serious users and also because I'm an indie maker and free users is not something that I can ultimately afford at this current stage. - You're right, I should have a way for the user to trial the app and then pay once instead of the trial being on the weekly subscription only.

As for guaranteeing lifetime access, a lot of web based products offer lifetime access and I guess it's just a matter of trusting the maker if they will support it. For my particular app I know that I've been involved in the productivity space for quite some years and only now making an app that suits my needs. I imagine myself using this for all the years to come and if I stop using it, it's self hosted on a server I own and I will keep it live forever. If the user doesn't trust that then that's completely fair and fine. No issues with that.

Lots of useful feedback, thanks again for the write up! Still building and learning and trying to be as genuine as possible.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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post #34

Congrats, maghfoor. But the lack of price transparency is a real turn-off. Nothing on the website or in the App Store — you have to download the app to find out how much it will cost you.

For what it’s worth, in the iOS App Store, you can scroll down to look at the “In-App Purchases” drop down menu, and all of the prices are shown there. This is true for every app with IAP. It’s how I typically decide if I’ll download an app with IAP.

Wild. I've been using iPhones for 17 years and it took until today for me to learn this. Thanks j_bum.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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My take is that the right workflow for people is quite varied. Everyone wants something that’s low friction and will keep them engaged but these daily behaviors are fundamentally high friction habits, so existing solutions are rarely satisfying in the long run. They are also easy to build - you need one primitive: basic text storage, although scheduled push notifications are great to have. No need to sync stuff, no s…

> My take is that the right workflow for people is quite varied. I agree. I've been tempted lately to write my own local todo + notes + calendar app that fits the way I think about tasks and time. Kind of like developing a software glove for ones mental model. It's no wonder there are so many "gloves" in this space, everyone's model is unique.

I would like notion to support this kind of glove making perfectly but right now it’s too slow and high friction to make sense for the domain for most people. Currently it only works for people with huge friction tolerance, and it’s missing quality calendar tooling & trustworthy configurable push.

Re: Show HN: I spent 4 months building Duolingo but for your life

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So how much is it for those of us non iOS people?

Anyone should be able to view it, even without an Apple account: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/three-cells-your-life-system/i... (bottom right): > Three Cells Weekly $2.99 > Lifetime Access to Three Cells $29.99 > Three Cells Weekly $2.99 The ratio here feels a bit off, $155.48/y or $29.99 for life screams "trying to push you to pay a lot for an app I know you won't stick with" rather than "we've got great value opti…

Insanely expensive weekly subscriptions are the new (scammy) meta in B2C apps. I find it off-putting as well.
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