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Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by averageRoyalty »

travisgriggs wrote: post #28
crinkly wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MPs will be immediately trying to hang the civil service for telling them this was a good idea. Don't expect legal action. Do expect buck passing.

I wish there was a modern day version of "Yes, [Prime] Minister" for this kind of stuff. It's like the episodes could write themselves by the week.

In Australia we have a show called "Utopia" that does fill this gap reasonably well. Australian politics are close enough to the UK that it'd probably translate well enough to be enjoyable.

I've heard many government workers say that it's funny but they can't watch it, as it's so accurate it's depressing.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by edent »

crinkly wrote: post #26
1a527dd5 wrote: post #19

I think this is a fun project, but I'm not sure I'd leave this up for much longer. MPs can be litigious. Especially if this is seen to be enabling things like ID fraud. Also, there are only 650 constituencies. I would pre-populate the list so when entering a new postcode, it doesn't stall waiting for AI.

MPs will be immediately trying to hang the civil service for telling them this was a good idea. Don't expect legal action. Do expect buck passing.

Not really. I was a civil servant and gave advice on this.

Civil servants aren't there to say whether a policy is good, sensible, or a vote-winner. The CS policy profeasion is there, in part, to advise on risks. Ministers decide whether to accept those risks.

There were plenty of people (like me) who would have pointed out the various risks and problems. Some of which caused policy to change, and some were accepted.

I don't think I've ever seen in recent years the CS be blamed for something like this.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by graemep »

crinkly wrote: post #54
verytrivial wrote: post #53

Do please take a moment to consider which MPs carry the burden here. It's mainly a single flavour. Mention it on the doorstep next time. https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1926

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Most Reform MPs did not vote at all!

Neither did a lot of conservatives and labour, interestingly.

Greens and Lib Dems voted no, which raises my opinion of them.

Agreed its a mess.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by piker »

graemep wrote: post #64
crinkly wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Most Reform MPs did not vote at all! Neither did a lot of conservatives and labour, interestingly. Greens and Lib Dems voted no, which raises my opinion of them. Agreed its a mess.

Any abstention is at best in the same column as the ayes here. Arguably worse.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by SilverElfin »

Won’t the government force these websites to do some kind of stronger identity verification in the future? I worry that it’ll even come with broader support when the EU or whoever implements ID verification for protecting children or banning misinformation or whatever.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by NicuCalcea »

timje1 wrote: post #22
chippiewill wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, the UK Police wouldn't typically let you get away with "it's just a joke". This would constitute a mixture of identity theft, fake ID and misuse of computers.

It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though

I don't think "It was actually ChatGPT that committed the crime, not me" would fly in a British court.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by jojobas »

crinkly wrote: post #54
verytrivial wrote: post #53

Do please take a moment to consider which MPs carry the burden here. It's mainly a single flavour. Mention it on the doorstep next time. https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1926

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Clamping down on freedoms is not conservative policy.

Crap like Communications Act 2003 and Ofcom has been Labour policy for decades.

Re: Show HN: Use Their ID – Use your local UK MP’s ID for the Online Safety Act

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Post by asib »

jojobas wrote: post #69
crinkly wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a fucking mess. Labour voted in conservative policy. Conservatives voted against it. Reform, whilst all over the news for being against it, voted for it.

Clamping down on freedoms is not conservative policy. Crap like Communications Act 2003 and Ofcom has been Labour policy for decades.

Laughable. Allow me to introduce you to the anti protest legislation brought into law by Suella Braverman.
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