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Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#61
I like the idea, but it should be a separate product, not an IDE.

Make it a Python runner with a visualization tool and independent from an IDE.

You will not have to catch up with the big IDEs, no need to maintain the IDE code, you get people using different IDEs to adopt your products and they can keep their tooling.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#63
post #37

OP, you're selling your tool to the wrong people. HN is not the crowd. This is for core-engineers who want to get value out of coding. Find people who pay the $1000/yr to use 1 tool in Matlab, and start pulling them away.

There are plenty of that type of person here on HN, we're not all engineers.

i.e. some of us are engineers in the traditional meaning.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#64
post #12

Looks beautiful so congratulation for the launch. Not sure if today this is enough though without any kind of AI chat assistant. Trae [0] is based on VSCode and Jetbrains Fleet are good looking as well. Visualization is definitely a big plus but there is also alternative like using rerun [1] and dearpygui [2] or some VSCode plugins (Python Image Preview, AREPL for Python)- might be hard to compete with those free alt…

Thanks! GitHub Copilot support is actively under development.

You should look into Roo and offer subscribers some # of OpenRouter credits in exchange for subscribing

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#65

I am a robotics engineer/scientist and I do shit ton of visualization of all kind of high-fidelity/high-rate data, often in a streaming setting - time series at a few thousand Hz, RGB/depth images from multiple cameras, debugging my models by visualizing many layer outputs, every augmentation, etc. For a long time, I had my own observability suite - a messy library of python scripts that I use for visualizing data. I…

I am impressed by the AI integration and simplicity of Data Formulator from Microsoft Research which runs one click in a Codespace so can't be much easier to get started throwing things together.

https://github.com/microsoft/data-formulator

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#66
This looks very nice. Good job shipping it!

For me personally, though, it's a hard sell. Since I just paid my JetBrains renewal, I am currently very aware that I'm paying $173/year for *all* of their IDEs, and PyCharm Pro is very good.

Just from looking through the site for this one, while it does some *SUPER* nice things, it doesn't replace everything I use from just PyCharm Pro, let alone from the other JetBrains tools that I also use and get in that subscription.

So it costs more than my current subscription, and wouldn't let me replace it even if the Linux version suddenly shipped today.

I love the competition in this space and wish you good luck. But, as someone who's obviously willing to pay for tools in this space, the only ways I could suggest that you could get my business would be:

1. Grow your feature set to the point that I could replace my JetBrains subscription with yours.

2. Become a JetBrains add-on, and reduce your price to something less than $10/mo.

Both of those look like tough roads... I hope you succeed wildly, even so.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#67

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Is the Jetbrain model basically the pricing model of early era (pre 2000s) IDEs? I remember back then developers had to pay for editors and compilers, which usually came with a huge amount of manuals. And then they could install patches until a new major version rolled out. I'm actually OK with that model, if they still ship manuals in paper.

Yeah, I think it's pretty similar. I definitely remember purchasing copies of the software like Borland C++ / Visual Studio / etc. that would essentially cover the major version number and all patch related updates. Although personally, I don't know if jetbrains offers an actual physical copy (give me back the big box!).

I love big boxes too! The manuals also show that developers really really know their products.

It sucks that fast iteration is the new normal nowadays. It's not a bad thing if developers are eager to get their hands on a cutting edge feature, but I believe doing things slower but more thoroughly has its merit.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#68
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Reasonable question but I think people are just burnt out by the Silicon Valley pricing model that has proliferated everywhere. * Most consumers now swallow a live service model and associated costs that they don’t want * Most consumers now swallow the costs of west coast tech culture: cost of living, esoteric architectural choices, fad driven development, and hobby driven development * Most owners of software busine…

This in particular looks like a solo project that probably took around a year. Say OP sells 1000 subscriptions. That's 20 thousand dollars a month. They sell 10k subs, 200k a month. Or the project fails, and as a closed source tool I can't fork and fix issues. The only options are it becoming a multi million dollar company or abandonware. I'd be open to it if it was 100$ with one year of free updates. But even then,…

I wonder if this concern could be partly alleviated through a price lock-in strategy. There could be a contract that says because the subscriber has paid for N months, that subscriber is eligible to keep paying the same price for 5-10 years, regardless of the price for other subscribers. This could incentivize people to start their subscription early.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#69
post #32

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Thanks for sharing. The OP posted a cool project, but 20$ a month for a nice VS code fork is absurd. Plus it's Mac only now.

Why is 20$/month absurd for something that boosts productivity? What does matlab coat nowadays? Sounds like he'd like to be able to improve it further and clients invest in that. Absurd is people paying 80$+/month for yt tv so they can watch ads.. My opinions.

Depends. MatLab's pricing structure is kind of all over the place.

That being said, I purchased a copy for personal use almost 6 years ago for around ~200 USD and guess what? I just installed it on a fresh PC a few weeks ago, and it works perfectly. No subscription necessary.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

#70

why not go down vscode extension path?

The vscode extensions path, unfortunately, would have been too restrictive for many of Scripton's features/technical requirements (tightly coupled REPL, minimal IPC overhead, ...)

This is very frequently mentioned by people when they decide to fork vscode / build their own editor.

Its not a huge deal here (in theory) as this is a python IDE. One of the biggest issues I've seen with other editor forks / whatever is some first party Microsoft extensions (dotnet iirc, cpp) will not function outside Microsoft's vscode release.

Does your editor support vsix extensions? I assume no as you are just using monoco. Again, could be a dealbreaker for many.

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