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Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by physicsguy »

externedguy wrote: post #29
frumiousirc wrote: post #27

Maybe you include only power reactors and exclude research reactors? In the latter category is this decommissioned reactor not shown on your map: https://www.bnl.gov/hfbr/

Research reactors are not used for energy production, so yes, reactors like HFBR in US, Petten in Netherlands are not included. Maybe I'll add them later, but for this I need to first add sensible filters for clarity, otherwise it will become a mess and won't be as simple to see what kind of potential certain region in some country has.

Yeah, there's similarly defense reactors. For e.g. this site in Derby in the UK: https://www.onr.org.uk/our-work/what-we-regulate/defence/def...

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

qwerty9001 wrote: post #55
pjc50 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The South African nuclear reactor was of course linked to their desire to have nuclear weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_ma... It's difficult to disentangle civilian power from nuclear weapons concerns. This is particularly important if you want to get a good historical understanding of the opposition to nuclear reactors. - until the end of the cold war, many people considered the ris…

> … while global warming was a comparatively distant threat. Ahhh young folks. Until about the 70s all the media, leading scientist and organisations were concerned about the impending ice age. So no, people then could not be bothered by the global warming, as they were actively scared of the horrors of the coming ice age. How times have changed.

In the 70's we were still trying to get rid of lead in paint and gasoline while being concerned about the giant hole in the ozone.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by khafra »

rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

It's easy to remember the early players in the nuclear power/weapons game, with a simple mnemonic song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLON3ddZIw

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by pvg »

rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

historically only states "trustworthy" to the US or the former USSR were allowed access to the technology

Your own wikipedia link explains this isn't really true - the whole idea of the NPT framework is to trade assistance with civilian nuclear technology for giving up military use. There are definitely all sorts of Realpolitik factors involved but NPT signatories could and did build nuclear power plants. Who was Austria 'trusted' by to build Zwentendorf, if you think about it.

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by techguru007 »

please consider filling in some gaps -- in the United States, for instance, your current map does not show any of the "experimental" reactors, and is even missing some of the Power Utilities reactors I am familiar with. I suspect that the DOE (US) has databases and maps which show most of those.

There are many (not currently shown) in eastern Washington State, and many in Idaho State (US)

I also have a friend who did the geologic surveys for a number of commercial nuclear stations in Africa -- so perhaps those did not end up in the database you used to source your data?

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by canadianfella »

pjc50 wrote: post #49
rob74 wrote: post #3

> what came to my surprise is that Poland, Turkey, Scandinavian countries, Africa have literally 1 to none nuclear stations. Also, Austria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Austria Short timeline: - 1972: started building its first nuclear power plant - 1978: parliament decides to ban nuclear power for 20 years - 1997: ban is made permanent Note that the initial decision for the ban was even before Cher…

The South African nuclear reactor was of course linked to their desire to have nuclear weapons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_ma... It's difficult to disentangle civilian power from nuclear weapons concerns. This is particularly important if you want to get a good historical understanding of the opposition to nuclear reactors. - until the end of the cold war, many people considered the ris…

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Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by externedguy »

treebeard901 wrote: post #59

I have been looking for spare nuclear rods and various waste for a few hobby projects and this map should help. Well done!

Sounds crazy, make sure you don’t brake into any of these.

What kind of hobbies you have?!

Re: Show HN: I built interactive map of active and decommissioned nuclear stations

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Post by samstave »

Wonderful.

Now, if we add the layers of the SubmarinCableMap [0] DataCenterMap [1] - and we begin to track shipments

And

https://i.imgur.com/zO0yz6J.png -- Left is nuke, top = cables, bottom = datacenters. I went to ImportYeti to look into the NVIDIA shipments: https://i.imgur.com/k9018EC.png

And you look at the suppliers that are coming from Taiwan, such as the water-coolers and power cables to sus out where they may be shipping to, https://i.imgur.com/B5iWFQ1.png -- but instead, it would be better to find shipping lables for datacenters that are receiving containers from Taiwain, and the same suppliers as NVIDIA for things such as power cables. While the free data is out of date on ImportYeti - it gives a good supply line idea for NVIDIA... with the goal to find out which datacenters that are getting such shipments, you can begin to measure the footprint of AI as it grows, and which nuke plants they are likely powered from.

Then, looking into whatever reporting one may access for the consumption/util of the nuke's capacity in various regions, we can estimate the power footprint of growing Global Compute.

DataCenterNews and all sorts of datasets are available - and now the ability to create this crawler/tracker is likely full implementable

https://i.imgur.com/gsM75dz.png https://i.imgur.com/a7nGGKh.png

[0] https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

[1] https://www.datacentermap.com/

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