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Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by outcoldman »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #57
outcoldman wrote: post #35

It is very interesting, but there are plenty of stoppers for me: 1. Subscription model. I will be willing to pay even $250 for a good email client, that is superior to the native macOS client. If it really adds more features that I need. Meaning, I can use mostly all the email related features offered by Fastmail. But I am not willing to support subscription models. 2. No iOS client. I use email on macOS and iOS. Not…

2. For 3rd party clients you cannot have a mail client without an intermediate server. Consider a mail service that only has IMAP-IDLE [1]. iOS's mail does not support that. So ANY 3rd party to be able to deliver notifications you either have to go through Apple's push notification service (or ask for Local push connectivity [2]). But regardless, it implies that in order for you to trigger the notification (either vi…

Can you just use the background refresh, and fetch for new emails like every 5-10 minutes or something? Email is not messaging, don't really care if I receive some email 5–10 minutes later, unless I am expecting email (like email verification), than I will be opening the mail app by myself.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by mk89 »

linsomniac wrote: post #52
mk89 wrote: post #48

So much criticism. People, have fun developing stuff for free or for little to no money while having to support a shitload of OS versions and possibly multi-device, multiple framework versions, bugs, people sinking your app on the App Store if you don't react or whatever. 3 dollars per month are nothing IF the app is useful. Email is literally the thing you use the most. Why 3 and not 1 or 5? Maybe 3 dollars are just…

That hits a little close to home. A couple months ago I built a tool to transfer my playlists from Spotify to YouTube Music, and I put it on github. Since then it's really taken off, I usually get a few stars a day, and I've put a bunch of work in both fixing issues that other people had and also just doing support for users having problems. The thing that is funding the development of it at this point is my slow-bur…

Well, I personally am happy that you found what motivates the development of your app :)

However, some people still want to make that ugly thing called ... money... :)

When that's the case, you really need to do your best NOT to let your app sink on the App Store - when that happens, you can say goodbye to your income (be it passive or active), unless someone really gives it a try because there is no other solution, etc. etc.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by 0x073 »

joshmanders wrote: post #53
Longlius wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter, easily.

So you would pay what equates to $6/mo to have it all as a single charge once a year instead of monthly?

Its about "owning" and you can use the client for longer than this time.

This is why i love jetbrain, ITS a subscribtion, but you have a fallback licence.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by LVB »

earthnail wrote: post #45
jbverschoor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same! I like Sketch's and other app's approach. Keep the version forever, 1 year free upgrades. Great work! Will def. try it out

Unfortunately that’s not supported by Apple on the App Store. Luckily Mac apps aren’t super reliant on the App Store but it’s still a huge issue.

I've purchased "Due" via the App Store, and it tells me I'm entitled to free feature upgrades for 1 year, shows a date when my unlock period expires, and offers a longer-term subscription. So it must be possible.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

outcoldman wrote: post #61
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2. For 3rd party clients you cannot have a mail client without an intermediate server. Consider a mail service that only has IMAP-IDLE [1]. iOS's mail does not support that. So ANY 3rd party to be able to deliver notifications you either have to go through Apple's push notification service (or ask for Local push connectivity [2]). But regardless, it implies that in order for you to trigger the notification (either vi…

Can you just use the background refresh, and fetch for new emails like every 5-10 minutes or something? Email is not messaging, don't really care if I receive some email 5–10 minutes later, unless I am expecting email (like email verification), than I will be opening the mail app by myself.

Problem with that is that

    earliestBeginDate
means that you can request a no-earlier-than begin date. iOS does not guarantee it will run ON that date, or within x time-units. It merely provides a minimum delay until it MAY get scheduled.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by mk89 »

lelandfe wrote: post #39
GrinningFool wrote: post #11

This looks good, but I'm not clear why it's a subscription. I'm happy to pay for upgrades when a new version with new features is offered; and I'm happy to not pay if the new version isn't compelling enough. (Sometimes support for major OS upgrades is enough of a feature.) I'm increasingly disinclined to feed the subscription-based software economy, especially for the personal tools I use.

Most macOS email apps do subscription pricing these days. Airmail, Spark, Mimestream… I wonder why that is.

> I wonder why that is.

Money.

Apple gets 30% off your app purchase and/or in-app purchases, while it gets 30% from your subscription for the first year and 15% for the subsequent years.

So, if you think your app is worth 10$, you lose 3$ and the ability to make more money and to support its development (if you do, they have to be in-app purchases, like extensions, etc. and again 30% is gone).

On the other hand, if you sell it with a 0.83$/month subscription (= 10$ / 12months, just to be "fair"), the first year you lose 3$ but you gain later 1.5$. And btw, I don't even think 0.83$ is allowed (AFAIK the price points start with 0.10$ so you can't have weird numbers like 0.23$ or things like that), so you round it up to 0.89$/month or 0.99$/month and you gain even more money, which will be used also to keep the development going.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by happymellon »

LVB wrote: post #64
earthnail wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that’s not supported by Apple on the App Store. Luckily Mac apps aren’t super reliant on the App Store but it’s still a huge issue.

I've purchased "Due" via the App Store, and it tells me I'm entitled to free feature upgrades for 1 year, shows a date when my unlock period expires, and offers a longer-term subscription. So it must be possible.

After the expiration are you still able to access the older version?

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by DistractionRect »

joshmanders wrote: post #53
Longlius wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter, easily.

So you would pay what equates to $6/mo to have it all as a single charge once a year instead of monthly?

Most things are flat payment for the thing plus a support window (aka warranty period).

Just let me own it as is, and decide if I want to pay for new features/updates later. Plenty of software is sold under this licensing model, and it works.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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Post by happymellon »

earthnail wrote: post #43
lelandfe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most macOS email apps do subscription pricing these days. Airmail, Spark, Mimestream… I wonder why that is.

Apple encourages it heavily and even hosts workshops about how to do subscription apps.

Apple charge you a subscription just to develop for their platform.

Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS

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