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Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by boudin »

onion2k wrote: post #41
thewebcount wrote: post #27

The visuals were a lot of fun, but I don’t understand why I, as a viewer/consumer/whatever of this sort of thing, would ever want these things: > Unknown runtime I like to know whether I’m going to have time to view all of something or not. I might want to set aside some time to watch something if it’s too long for the break I’m taking right now. > No rewinding, no skipping ahead Ugh. Just … no. If I saw something co…

I'm with you on this. Running Flash as a plugin in a browser is not something I want at all . Flash Player was awful. But... The Flash editor/IDE was brilliant, and that's something that the web sorely needs. There's a few libraries that can do similar things (eg theatre.js) but they don't do enough . Flash's editor was genuinely easy to use once you'd mastered a few things, and if you remembered to save regularly, a…

I still wonder what browsers would be today if adobe had open sourced flash player and worked on making SWF and action scripts standards to be natively integrated in browsers rather than letting the player die as an annoying badly maintained plugin.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by AshleysBrain »

mclightning wrote: post #53

I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died. Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore. If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framewo…

We make Construct Animate which can do Flash-style animation right in the browser: https://www.construct.net/en/animation-software

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by k2xl »

A puzzle game I made in Flash in highschool in 2005 (Psychopath) was rebuilt last year by someone who played it in highschool. I have been working with him on it too (shameless plug: https://pathology.gg). Many of the original people that played it back in the day have actually come back which is crazy to me.

Without downloading Macromedia Flash MX in highschool I would never have built Psychopath, Obechi, Boomshine... flash games that changed my life and made me want to be a game developer & programmer.

The creativityand ability to built a Flash game or animation in many different ways was why it was so great.

Many people do not realize that Flash used to be MORE ubiquitous than almost ANY softwar in the world (If I recall Macromedia released some stat around 96% of computers had Flash installed). Meaning you could depend on flash being installed on a device more than Javascript, Java, or any particular browser or operating system.

Miss those days dearly

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by fphhotchips »

thewebcount wrote: post #27

The visuals were a lot of fun, but I don’t understand why I, as a viewer/consumer/whatever of this sort of thing, would ever want these things: > Unknown runtime I like to know whether I’m going to have time to view all of something or not. I might want to set aside some time to watch something if it’s too long for the break I’m taking right now. > No rewinding, no skipping ahead Ugh. Just … no. If I saw something co…

I'm with you. I stopped watching not because of the visuals (which I hated - I immediately got eyestrain - but I can appreciate others might like them), but because I reached the point in the video where I wanted to know how much longer there was. I was interested enough for a couple more minutes, but for all I know, this doesn't get to the point until 10 minutes in. I just don't want that in my life.

Everything on the 'different' list is unambiguously bad to me except maybe the compression thing. I don't want effects that change with zoom settings - that just excludes people who need to be zoomed in to see stuff.

I'm not happy that Flash died. I spent a lot of time playing really fun games in Flash. I'm happy this can exist, but please let's keep doing video essays in videos. That said, now I know Newgrounds still exists I wonder if I can find the impossible quiz...

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by DonHopkins »

I love all the amazing inspirational open source examples of generative procedural art and artificial life that Jared Tarbell published on his web site https://levitated.net .

It opened my eyes to using Flash for procedural graphics and simulations, instead of just using timelines like a glorified graphical player piano, or like a BASIC program full of GOTO spaghetti rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise (which is how Macromedia founder Marc Canter described Director's Lingo, which also used frame numbers like BASIC line numbers).

Jared went on to do a lot more amazing stuff in Processing, co-founded Etsy, and built a toy factory!

https://www.artnome.com/news/2020/8/24/interview-with-genera...

https://www.artnome.com/news/2018/8/8/why-love-generative-ar...

https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/dusseldorf-2018/speakers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_-9UWkgDf8

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

mclightning wrote: post #53

I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died. Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore. If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framewo…

> Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore

P5, which while excellent and better than flash for many reasons it’s not the same thing.

The true beauty of flash was seeing the cool games and animations online a kid could pirate a copy of flash and then the way the tech worked it lulled you in with simple animation tools but you were forced to interact with code to control the play state.

This meant a percentage dug deeper and could eventually make games and more advanced things.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by thih9 »

michaelbrooks wrote: post #54

I owe my career to Flash. I got started because my school would block game sites, and we weren't allowed to play games at lunch time. I used Flash to learn how to make games and then play them in School. If anyone said I couldn't play games, I would respond with "I'm learning to make the game", and they would give me a pass. It's the reason I got into scripting/programming, and I'm now a web developer.

Impressive! I think that’s a fair rule for any school, i.e. you’re allowed to play a computer game if you’ve made it yourself.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

CSSer wrote: post #17

This is very cool. It sent me down a rabbit hole of NG’s Flash Forward submissions that ultimately triggered a strong sense of nostalgia for the late ‘00s and ‘10s. There was a lot of kid culture here at the time. I’m not familiar enough to know (probably since I don’t have kids), but I get the impression that in some ways New Grounds was for my generation what Roblox is for kids today. Can anyone attest to this? It…

> New Grounds was for my generation what Roblox is for kids today. Can anyone attest to this?

Essentially yes, you can jump from completely different experiences in seconds. Main difference is it’s multiplayer by default.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Post by woogley »

mclightning wrote: post #53

I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died. Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore. If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framewo…

There is nothing like Flash IMO. Closest we have in the modern day is Unity and Godot
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