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Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
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#62* Amazon in general is famous for using scale to drive down costs and/or attack the margin of competitors. So much so that a Bezos quote of "your margin is my opportunity" regularly gets thrown around. This is a direct attack on what is essentially fat AWS margin. Which isn't itself bad. Maybe they've grown complacent and lazy? It does worry me though when the strategy is essentially taking on the reigning champion by using their own game against them, where they both have the home ground advantage and get to set the rules. You're one feature/packaging/pricing change away from becoming irrelevant.
* The huge information asymmetry. AWS can see _all_ the data. They have entire teams dedicated to building models around it. They know who should be on RIs, for what term, the impact to both them and customers. For even the most moderate sized customers and above there are people who have a KPI on driving RI usage + cost reductions into those accounts. How much opportunity is there really? Prospects who have the most to gain from this should theoretically have SAs/TAMs/etc. telling them every month to take these actions. They've either done the low-hanging fruit already or aren't interested because of other competing priorities. I'm not sure another third-party tool changes those things.
* The black swan risk of the insurance-like underwriting of carrying RIs. The models for all of these when I've looked into them meant there was tail risk around a large number of customer simultaneously deciding to hand back their RIs. And there's a lot of reasonable justification to believe that's unlikely. It also doesn't feel like a massive stretch of the imagination to think that a change in macro conditions + a shift to a far more aggressive red ocean strategy + a new instance family + AWS' history of discounting new instances on a $/performance basis to encourage adoption/migration = a huge price drop to drive both competitive and architecture migration en masse. The value of the RIs for what's now considered "legacy compute" would plummet overnight.
All that skepticism aside, the things I continually find most interesting in this space are the general usability and UX improvements. AWS consistently has a pretty suboptimal user experience, and the billing aspects in-particular can be indecipherable at even a trivial level of scale. So maybe the opportunity here is less about attacking margin and more about the fact customers are leaving money on the table purely because AWS make it so dang hard understand and improve things?
Re: Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
just from reading the site, looks like vantage takes a 5% fee vs Usage 20% - but that's a big difference, not sure if it's an apples-to-apples comparison.
> Autopilot charges only 5% of the savings found to maximize customer savings: 75% less than other providers in market. Sounds accurate.
Additionally we give away all other service recommendations for free: RDS, Elasticache, Redshift, etc. These are your savings and you should realize as much of them as possible.
We also have a suite of visibility and reporting tools for AWS, Azure, Datadog, Snowflake, MongoDB, Databricks, etc. Most customers prefer using Vantage as a one-stop-shop FinOps vendor and in general we find significantly more in savings at a fraction of the cost of other vendors.
Re: Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
#64Re: Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an asset on their books, but I doubt any of their investors/creditors can get any real use out of them. So my guess is AWS gets to keep that extra $$$.
I think what they mean is, does the Usage.ai customer get stuck with long RI's that they now can't get rid of because usage.ai can't buy it back
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a way. Resellers typically incorporate a company's AWS organization into theirs, and via resource sharing of savings instruments, are able to pass on savings to their customers within their portfolio. Since they have an AWS organization that is comprised of many companies and their AWS accounts, they are able to negotiate special pricing arrangements with AWS (typically in the form of an EDP) based on the total sp…
Why would they be in a good negotiating position with AWS, given that they have to be on AWS to even exist in the first place? I don't get why amazon would ever negotiate down with these guys, they're the ones who absolutely need the product.
In principle at least, customers can become loyal to the reseller and their value-added services, and the reseller can influence their clients to move to other providers. Obviously hosting is one of the stickiest SaaS services around since switching costs can be monumental, but the theory still applies.
Re: Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
#67I could guess that Oracle licensing changes or negotiation has made it untenable for AWS.
Re: Show HN: Usage 2.0 – Cut AWS Spend by 57% in 5 Minutes
#68> We buy Reserved Instances on your behalf (a billing layer change only) and bundle them with guaranteed buyback This is by setting your AWS account as the payer account so you can aggregate? I’m curious how the finances will work out - at least one of them had challenges balancing their RIs with customer changes since there wasn’t a feedback cue for developers not to change instance types casually. On a marketing le…