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Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by rhizome31 »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #58
rhizome31 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation in Ukraine might be more complex than you think.

it can be summarized as Putin want more power and access to a warm sea

Not so long ago you were claiming that the US hadn't attacked anyone in your lifetime. Confronted to the evidence that it was a false statement you start making a difference between the "good wars" and "bad wars". In one case the situation is "complex", in the other it can be summarized in one sentence. Don't you see the double standard here? How about "Russia takes action to protect its people against Western imperialism and fight nazism"? Of course that would be an equally oversimplified summary of the situation.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by Toniglandyl »

rhizome31 wrote: post #43
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's a very different and more complex situation. they did bad and good things at the same time in that area.(when I say good I mean trying to fix the mess they partly created) Russia is just straight up invading a neighboring country. there is no good in any of their current actions. I was mostly talking about what happened just after 9/11.

The situation in Ukraine might be more complex than you think.

You mean, the jewish president is a real Nazi ? Am I missing something ?

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by FrenchDevRemote »

rhizome31 wrote: post #61
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it can be summarized as Putin want more power and access to a warm sea

Not so long ago you were claiming that the US hadn't attacked anyone in your lifetime. Confronted to the evidence that it was a false statement you start making a difference between the "good wars" and "bad wars". In one case the situation is "complex", in the other it can be summarized in one sentence. Don't you see the double standard here? How about "Russia takes action to protect its people against Western imperi…

"Not so long ago you were claiming that the US hadn't attacked anyone in your lifetime."

the English curriculum in Russian schools must be really awful because I never said that

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by guilhas »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #57
guilhas wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice I am gonna do the same to Canadians because of their government mandates, give Trudeau a lesson Instead of a flag l can use a truck emoji

is Canada invading a neighboring country?

The point is

Russian gov does something you disagree, annoy Russians

Canadian gov does something you disagree, annoy Canadians

But yes they also took part in Syria, Iraq and Libya's invasion

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by FrenchDevRemote »

guilhas wrote: post #65
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is Canada invading a neighboring country?

The point is Russian gov does something you disagree, annoy Russians Canadian gov does something you disagree, annoy Canadians But yes they also took part in Syria, Iraq and Libya's invasion

That's not the situation

The Russian gov is murdering people as we speak.

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by ivan90210 »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #6
curiousfab wrote: post #2

Not a good idea to harass people because you don't like what their government is doing.

Annoying them enough might push more people to protest. The softest option of the script is one alert() message once a day, that doesn't seems like harassment, the strictest option is to redirect you to a form on the russian government website, that's more debatable but that's up to you, you can also run custom code. If you're annoyed/blocked while trying access a website you like because your government is oppressiv…

Did you protest against your government back in 2015-2016, when half a thousand of your men, women and children got shot, blown up or smeared on the sidewalks in retaliation for two decades of your government's involvement in destabilizing countries, hundreds of thousand people dead and millions more displaced?

You didn't? Oh, was it not justified to hold your civilian population accountable for the actions of your democratically elected and re-elected leaders? Or did you just not get annoyed enough?

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by DavideNL »

mrintellectual wrote: post #53
cyber_kinetist wrote: post #28

I see many Russians already enraged about the war, some even doing protests against it. The fact is that most feel powerless and afraid against an autocratic government, and I feel it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake. (Maybe your country hasn’t experienced this yet, but hearing anecdotes from my country’s past I understand it’s really hard to mobilize when the next day you can be ki…

Well put. It is easy to forget that the actions of governments do not necessarily represent the will of the people.

I agree... The first hit on Duckduckgo when searching for "Discrimination":

"Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong. "

Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #28

I see many Russians already enraged about the war, some even doing protests against it. The fact is that most feel powerless and afraid against an autocratic government, and I feel it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake. (Maybe your country hasn’t experienced this yet, but hearing anecdotes from my country’s past I understand it’s really hard to mobilize when the next day you can be ki…

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Re: Show HN: Detect Russian visitors to block them and protest the war in Ukraine

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Post by rich_sasha »

cyber_kinetist wrote: post #28

I see many Russians already enraged about the war, some even doing protests against it. The fact is that most feel powerless and afraid against an autocratic government, and I feel it’s very hard to tell them to retaliate when their lives are on stake. (Maybe your country hasn’t experienced this yet, but hearing anecdotes from my country’s past I understand it’s really hard to mobilize when the next day you can be ki…

Well put indeed.

Some further points:

- Russia is not a regular democracy, it’s not like Putin has a democratic mandate for this war. Who can Russians vote for who is against the war?

- Oddly, “regular” Russians are allies of the West here. Ultimately Putin can only fail due to internal pressures. So ideal sanctions cripple Russian elites and put pressure on the regular citizens, without alienating them.

- Clearly, you can’t have your cake and eat it. If Russian revenues are affected through sanctions, regular Russians will suffer, as a byproduct. But blocking indiscriminately by IP is just a big middle finger for no good reason.

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