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Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by razemio »

jhugo wrote: post #50
razemio wrote: post #6

Googled "Best smartphone 2021" which resulted in crappy result. Maybe I am missing what significant categories actually means?

How would you define a good result for that query? It seems like the only thing you could expect from that query is a page of advertising, since the "best X" without any criteria is a concept that doesn't exist in reality.

Somewhat true. A perfect awnser for such a query would be a page like tomshardware where the best smartphones for multiple categories would have been nominated. A normal Google search actually does return that, after some scrolling. This however is ofc heavily based on my browsing history.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by razemio »

version_five wrote: post #11
razemio wrote: post #6

Googled "Best smartphone 2021" which resulted in crappy result. Maybe I am missing what significant categories actually means?

I agree those results are not helpful. The poster did say it was mostly for STEM subjects though... More importantly though, I think "Best smartphone 2021" is really a search that has been conditioned on the crap google gives back now. At best you might expect to find a "best smartphones" listicle or something. This is just a whitelisted search, so in my 5 min playing with it, it looks like popular or consumer querie…

I agree. It is a very promising approach to fine tune Google for your own needs.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by mda »

mellavora wrote: post #52
mda wrote: post #48

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Google easily finds correct results for "python random" no spam no bs.

so your google search returns random python snippets?

No, documentation about how to generate pseudo or secure random numbers in python. Not sure I got your question.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by skinkestek »

jhugo wrote: post #49
quocanh wrote: post #47

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Which results are different than Google's?

Most. Yandex is great, especially for programming searches. It generally ranks GitHub, Stack Overflow and other content-heavy sites highly. Google has been taken over by weird clones of GitHub and SO lately, Yandex has no such trash. It completely boggles my mind that the useless GitHub and SO clones rank first page on Google. Do engineers at Google not use their own product?

Regarding stackoverflow there is a fair chance they can congratulate themselves:

If I am right they played stupid games and won stupid prizes. More specifically they have allowed rampant deletionism for years so while I am fairly certain the questions and answers originated on Stack Overflow it wouldn't surprise me if a good number of of those aren't visible on Stack Overflow anymore which would explain why they rank higher in Google.

Done right this would actually be a service.

Sadly some of them seems to mix together various questions and answers in the same page to generate text matches for unusual queries.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by rickdeveloper »

yanmaani wrote: post #25
rickdeveloper wrote: post #15

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Thanks! Ads are added automatically by Google. The whole thing is little more than a wrapper around the 'Programmable Search Element Control API' which is an HTML element you can just insert into any site, like an iframe. Unfortunately this is the only way to make Programmable Search available at scale as the API is restricted to either 10 sites or 10K queries / day, even when paid! There is a paid version for the HT…

How about using the Bing API? Isn't that more open? With caching, I think you might be able to reduce the load. Also, why is w3fools in the list? It's an awful site.

Yes! Maybe I'll build a premium customizable version out of it. Do you think that'd be useful? Bing charges around $5 per 1000 searches, so the premium version would be around the same (with caching covering hosting, maybe).

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by rickdeveloper »

throw_away wrote: post #28
rickdeveloper wrote: post #15

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Thanks! Ads are added automatically by Google. The whole thing is little more than a wrapper around the 'Programmable Search Element Control API' which is an HTML element you can just insert into any site, like an iframe. Unfortunately this is the only way to make Programmable Search available at scale as the API is restricted to either 10 sites or 10K queries / day, even when paid! There is a paid version for the HT…

It would be cool if I could take my existing browser history, aggregate by domain, sort by frequency & then create the necessary xml for the programmable search. Maybe with a pick & choose UI so I could decide which sites I wanted. Right now, looking at your allow-list config, it feels a bit custom to you, but if I had an easy way to limit search to the sites I myself know and trust, I could see how that would be use…

Good idea! Would you pay for a premium version where you can customize the whitelist (and additional features) if it were available? Bing charges around $5 per 1000 searches, so I guess it would cost about the same. (Google's API is limited to 10K searches / day, even when paid)

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by rickdeveloper »

razemio wrote: post #60
rickdeveloper wrote: post #10

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(obviously: this is subjective, so what's significant to me may not be to you.) Honestly I just created this search engine for myself to find things more easily while programming or studying (I study biology, cs and ai; and philosophy in my free time, so expect results the best results for queries related to those subjects). I think those subjects also appeal to the HN audience, that's why I shared it here. When I'm…

Thanks for sharing. My initial comment sounded a bit harsh. I am sorry for that. I will look into fine tuning it for my needs. It is an interesting approach to a very annoying problem.

NP :) It's exciting to have people using & commenting on something I build.

> I will look into fine tuning it for my needs. It is an interesting approach to a very annoying problem.

If a premium version were available with a customizable whitelist, would you pay for that? The API is around $5 / 1000 searches so it would cost about the same.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by skinkestek »

schleck8 wrote: post #57

If you are annoyed by Google, take a look at kagi and neeva, they are new takes on search engines - https://neeva.com - https://kagi.com

Haven't tried Neeva but I can vouch for Kagi.

Also search.marginalia.nu puts a smile on my face almost every time I use it :-)

(I should try Neeva, I keep hearing good things about it.)

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by marginalia_nu »

razemio wrote: post #59
marginalia_nu wrote: post #54

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Which search engine returns good results for such a query?

There is none to my knowledge. That is why I tried it. Google returns at least links from tomshardware, wired and Android Authority after a few scrolls.

The point I was attempting to make is that what you are looking for doesn't exist within the realm of authentic websites made by people. The only ones making content to match such a query are deliberately attempting to match it because there is so little quality content. So what you get is at best the sort of useless content mills that seem to crop up on Google.

Re: Show HN: No Trash Search

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Post by cpach »

quocanh wrote: post #47
narrator wrote: post #32

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There's http://yandex.com . It's great if you want to search controversial subject matter and controversial results that Google wouldn't give you. The reverse image search is also amazing.

Which results are different than Google's?

Try searching for movie name + torrent for example
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