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Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by mc32 »

what_is_orcas wrote: post #60
mc32 wrote: post #55

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Oh, now it’s about group power and not individuals? See, people keep on redefining things. So a Mexican-American being from a “super power” what, they can be made fun of by white Mexicans because? What about Chinese from China, now that they are super power, does everyone get to pile on any individual because as a group they are powerful (based on PPP they are on par or surpassed us). It all bullshit. If it’s not for…

It's always been about group power. The idea that it's about individuals is, to use a term you might be familiar with, fake news. A few years ago, the right was blowing up about "reverse racism" or racism against white folks (I'm speaking exclusively about the US now, because that's really all that I know) but that's not possible in America because whites are the most privileged race. Are there some poor white people…

Racism is simple to Id: if the decision is based on the perception of race, it’s racism whether positive or negative. Positive racism is : “I see you’re [race] come over here, you get to eat right here”. Negative racism “I see you’re [race] you get to eat over there. Where + and - aren’t value judgements but effect on the recipient.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by what_is_orcas »

mc32 wrote: post #61
what_is_orcas wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always been about group power. The idea that it's about individuals is, to use a term you might be familiar with, fake news. A few years ago, the right was blowing up about "reverse racism" or racism against white folks (I'm speaking exclusively about the US now, because that's really all that I know) but that's not possible in America because whites are the most privileged race. Are there some poor white people…

Racism is simple to Id: if the decision is based on the perception of race, it’s racism whether positive or negative. Positive racism is : “I see you’re [race] come over here, you get to eat right here”. Negative racism “I see you’re [race] you get to eat over there. Where + and - aren’t value judgements but effect on the recipient.

Nope.

Racism is a power-dynamic and a set of systems to maintain that power dynamic.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by mc32 »

what_is_orcas wrote: post #62
mc32 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism is simple to Id: if the decision is based on the perception of race, it’s racism whether positive or negative. Positive racism is : “I see you’re [race] come over here, you get to eat right here”. Negative racism “I see you’re [race] you get to eat over there. Where + and - aren’t value judgements but effect on the recipient.

Nope. Racism is a power-dynamic and a set of systems to maintain that power dynamic.

All you are saying is the same I’m saying except you’re using different language to say it.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by what_is_orcas »

mc32 wrote: post #63
what_is_orcas wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Racism is a power-dynamic and a set of systems to maintain that power dynamic.

All you are saying is the same I’m saying except you’re using different language to say it.

No, you're saying that racism can be bi-directional and/or against those with power (or "positive racism").

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by mc32 »

what_is_orcas wrote: post #64
mc32 wrote: post #63

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All you are saying is the same I’m saying except you’re using different language to say it.

No, you're saying that racism can be bi-directional and/or against those with power (or "positive racism").

So you’re saying some people cannot do racism?

Can someone from LatAm be racist against a North American black, what about against an Caribbean littoral black? A Guatemalan vs a Belizean? Or vice versa? A Chinese from China in Mexico vs an ethnic Chinese in Mexico vs, have your pick.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by _v7gu »

toxik wrote: post #49
mc32 wrote: post #46

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I’ve been to Mexico. Sometimes people there try to mimic your accent and poke fun at how you sunburn so easily. Back in the US if you were to do similar to a Mexican, you’d be accused of racism for mimicking their accent or making fun of some part of their physiology they cannot change.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

Now that's just racism on another scale: you're saying Mexicans are below Americans?

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by theCodeStig »

tomcooks wrote: post #24

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

You’re on point, there is no difference.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by theCodeStig »

RaSoJo wrote: post #30
tomcooks wrote: post #24

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

If it makes you feel any better, the Italians enjoy making fun of American lingo as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol

Yeps. I love this.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by Spivak »

_v7gu wrote: post #66
toxik wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

Now that's just racism on another scale: you're saying Mexicans are below Americans?

Yes. Mexicans have not installed institutions that create and perpetuate widespread discrimination, prejudice, and harm to Americans but the opposite is true.

Punching up or down isn't about the relative superiority or inferiority of groups, it's about the human made power dynamics that exist between them.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by dfxm12 »

vtyzsc wrote: post #38
dfxm12 wrote: post #34

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In my lifetime, I've witnessed first hand a lot of racism, and just outright violence towards Asians and Blacks, including institutional racism. I believe that's the difference. Italian Americans don't have to worry about this sort of institutional racism (at least not in generations ), so it's easier to assume these jokes are honest attempts at humor vs bigotry.

Many Hollywood movies with a plot that clearly takes place 5 decades after WWII have evil German characters named Fritz and Hans. Racism? You can certainly still experience anti-German sentiments as a 20 year old abroad right now. I don't mind these movies at all, but there do seem to be double standards.

Die Hard is not the same thing to German Americans as is a rise in violence against Asian Americans [0] or institutional racism against Blacks for their respective groups.

There doesn't seem to be a double standard.

0 - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/21/one-third-o...

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