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Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by alecst »

Symbiote wrote: post #55
a2tech wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a crazy amount of inertia around the 'mushroom foraging is only for experts' idea. I was just telling my mother in law this weekend that in our area there are no killer mushrooms. There are mushrooms that taste very bad, and (in the worst case) will cause stomach upset (vomiting) but nothing that will kill you outright. I was trying to encourage her to try some of the more well known edible wild varieties (wh…

Here's an example of someone (who ought to have known better) ending up near-death with kidney failure after a misidentification. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/13/filmadaptation...

> Nicholas - We had this family doctor came around and we knew pretty well actually what they were. I mean, we looked in the book the very next morning when Alastair started feeling ill and Charlotte was already ill. It was so clear from the photograph that what we had eaten, it wasn't a cep. It was themushroom called cortinarius speciosissimus which some people call the deadly webcap apparently. It had a rather comforting skull and cross bones underneath it, with a little caption, deadly poisonous.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/interviews/nicho...

I feel bad for the guy -- really, so, so bad -- but you have to be really confused to mix up a bolete with a webcap.

Webcap: https://www.first-nature.com/fungi/images/cortinariales/cort...

Porcino: https://lovelygreens.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cep-porc...

Porcini don't have gills! This is like mushrooms 101.

Doesn't this kind of prove the rule? I feel like most of the cases of people getting sick from mushrooms are cases like this.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by dfxm12 »

a2tech wrote: post #39
anm89 wrote: post #35

As someone who forages mushrooms pretty extensively my advice is not to forage psychedelic mushrooms as a beginner. Most psilocybin mushrooms fall into the colloquial category of "LBMs" (little brown mushrooms) and the advice is almost always not to forage LBMs because there a million of them, they all look alike, and you might not know from region to region what the risk of look a likes are. ' So unless you have a r…

There's a crazy amount of inertia around the 'mushroom foraging is only for experts' idea. I was just telling my mother in law this weekend that in our area there are no killer mushrooms. There are mushrooms that taste very bad, and (in the worst case) will cause stomach upset (vomiting) but nothing that will kill you outright. I was trying to encourage her to try some of the more well known edible wild varieties (wh…

People are missing out on a very enjoyable past time because of fear mongering.

It's subjective that people would find it enjoyable. Even of all the past times one can do, there are similar ones, like birding, hiking, gardening, etc. We're not short on past times that, even in the worst case, won't even leave you vomiting.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by habi »

chippy wrote: post #22
toastal wrote: post #3

I can appreciate that this site is using Mapbox and Plausible instead of giving out user data to Google

the basemap is from Carto, which uses a range of sources including OpenStreetMap and is missing required attribution: https://carto.com/attribution/ https://carto.com/help/working-with-data/attribution/#basema...

I sent the MMM guys/gals an email according to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attributi...

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by Alex3917 »

alecst wrote: post #61
Symbiote wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an example of someone (who ought to have known better) ending up near-death with kidney failure after a misidentification. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/13/filmadaptation...

> Nicholas - We had this family doctor came around and we knew pretty well actually what they were. I mean, we looked in the book the very next morning when Alastair started feeling ill and Charlotte was already ill. It was so clear from the photograph that what we had eaten, it wasn't a cep. It was themushroom called cortinarius speciosissimus which some people call the deadly webcap apparently. It had a rather comf…

Right, of people who die from mushroom poisoning, they are almost all either immigrants eating things that look like edible mushrooms where they come from, or else children who are randomly eating things they see in their lawn. Cases like this where you have someone who has been foraging for decades and eats something deadly poisonous happen maybe once every ten years, and I suspect it's mostly people with early onset Parkinson's or something that's causing them to act impulsively. This isn't an identification mistake, there's clearly some kind of neurological issue here.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by radec »

a2tech wrote: post #39
anm89 wrote: post #35

As someone who forages mushrooms pretty extensively my advice is not to forage psychedelic mushrooms as a beginner. Most psilocybin mushrooms fall into the colloquial category of "LBMs" (little brown mushrooms) and the advice is almost always not to forage LBMs because there a million of them, they all look alike, and you might not know from region to region what the risk of look a likes are. ' So unless you have a r…

There's a crazy amount of inertia around the 'mushroom foraging is only for experts' idea. I was just telling my mother in law this weekend that in our area there are no killer mushrooms. There are mushrooms that taste very bad, and (in the worst case) will cause stomach upset (vomiting) but nothing that will kill you outright. I was trying to encourage her to try some of the more well known edible wild varieties (wh…

Sadly I think it's fine. Where I live in the PNW there are way to many people mushroom foraging who seem to have little to no idea how to be in the woods. People rake the forest floor, people leave trash, people leave toilet paper, etc. I've actually stopped mushroom foraging in most places because the forest completely over foraged. In my experience with most outdoor activities the concept of leave no trace is completely lost on people, so unfortunately I'm fine with less people mushroom foraging.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by anm89 »

Symbiote wrote: post #55
a2tech wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a crazy amount of inertia around the 'mushroom foraging is only for experts' idea. I was just telling my mother in law this weekend that in our area there are no killer mushrooms. There are mushrooms that taste very bad, and (in the worst case) will cause stomach upset (vomiting) but nothing that will kill you outright. I was trying to encourage her to try some of the more well known edible wild varieties (wh…

Here's an example of someone (who ought to have known better) ending up near-death with kidney failure after a misidentification. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/nov/13/filmadaptation...

From the story it doesn't even appear that they attempted an ID until after they were very ill.

Back to the car analogy, if someone kills themself driving down the wrong side of the highway we don't all give up on driving because it is unsafe.

Yes you can definitely kill yourself foraging mushrooms. It's exceptionally unlikely with even a small bit of precaution and common sense but of course if you disregard all of that you are putting yourself at huge risk. Just like almost every other activity that involves some risks.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by Alex3917 »

alecst wrote: post #60
anm89 wrote: post #35

As someone who forages mushrooms pretty extensively my advice is not to forage psychedelic mushrooms as a beginner. Most psilocybin mushrooms fall into the colloquial category of "LBMs" (little brown mushrooms) and the advice is almost always not to forage LBMs because there a million of them, they all look alike, and you might not know from region to region what the risk of look a likes are. ' So unless you have a r…

I have to wonder if this is true. Suppose you find a mushroom that obviously bruises blue and generally matches the phenotype of whatever local psilocybe grows in your area. What's your risk? I looked into galerina poisonings, being the most similar mushroom I can think of off the top of my head that might poison you, but there are so, so few cases. Maybe 1 every two years? Given how many people forage for magic mush…

> Suppose you find a mushroom that obviously bruises blue and generally matches the phenotype of whatever local psilocybe grows in your area. What's your risk?

If it has chocolate brown spores and bruises blue then the risk is zero in every area that I know of. The only issue people are going to have is not knowing what bluing actually is, and thinking "well maybe this is navy blue" or whatever. Or only looking for bluing on some, but not all of the mushrooms in a collection.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by anm89 »

alecst wrote: post #60
anm89 wrote: post #35

As someone who forages mushrooms pretty extensively my advice is not to forage psychedelic mushrooms as a beginner. Most psilocybin mushrooms fall into the colloquial category of "LBMs" (little brown mushrooms) and the advice is almost always not to forage LBMs because there a million of them, they all look alike, and you might not know from region to region what the risk of look a likes are. ' So unless you have a r…

I have to wonder if this is true. Suppose you find a mushroom that obviously bruises blue and generally matches the phenotype of whatever local psilocybe grows in your area. What's your risk? I looked into galerina poisonings, being the most similar mushroom I can think of off the top of my head that might poison you, but there are so, so few cases. Maybe 1 every two years? Given how many people forage for magic mush…

I mean, Im really not advising against foraging psilocybes across the board but I feel like it's the kind of thing where if you have to ask, the answer is no.

For what it's worth, in my region(western PA) gallerinas are anecdotally an order of magnitude more common than any psilocybes. Actually the only psilocybin mushroom I've heard of anyone harvesting around here is gymnopilus sp. This one is also notoriously hard to identify.

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by jamal-kumar »

radec wrote: post #65
a2tech wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a crazy amount of inertia around the 'mushroom foraging is only for experts' idea. I was just telling my mother in law this weekend that in our area there are no killer mushrooms. There are mushrooms that taste very bad, and (in the worst case) will cause stomach upset (vomiting) but nothing that will kill you outright. I was trying to encourage her to try some of the more well known edible wild varieties (wh…

Sadly I think it's fine. Where I live in the PNW there are way to many people mushroom foraging who seem to have little to no idea how to be in the woods. People rake the forest floor, people leave trash, people leave toilet paper, etc. I've actually stopped mushroom foraging in most places because the forest completely over foraged. In my experience with most outdoor activities the concept of leave no trace is compl…

I try and explain the very easy concept of making a spore print to people and they just look at me like "wow you're really smart i don't think i could do that"

...

Right after I just explained how easy it is. Reminds me of explaining password mnemonics to people sometimes. I really don't think a lot of people are prepared for taking basic safety measures and the amount of people getting poisoned in the news is high enough that I feel the alarm is warranted. I remember seeing this one photo of a girl biting an amanita species saying how someone here in Costa Rica said it would get her high and she was explaining how she was in so much pain but was asking on FACEBOOK of all websites if there was any 'natural way' to cure it, like uhh yeah no you need a helicopter to the hospital

Re: Show HN: Magic Mushroom Map

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Post by jamal-kumar »

anm89 wrote: post #47
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, vomiting isn't very nice either. And some (many?) folks aren't crazy about mushrooms to start with. They may make apologies of the "I wouldn't know how to pick them safely" sort to avoid having to go mushrooming...

In years of eating foraged mushrooms, I have never gotten so much as a stomach ache. If you are making educated identifications (which is really easy to do with the materials available in this age) you shouldn't ever be vomiting when eating mushrooms. A very small percentage of people cannot handle most of the mushrooms that other people can and will vomit but this is true of many other food categories and is not uni…

You ever try and make accurate spore prints on LBMs without a microscope?

We're talking the entire class of little to no culinary value little brown things. Name some tasty ones, go!

Now let's bring in the 'lets get fucked up' crowd and see how much chaos can happen.

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