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Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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This is desktop software, why is there a monthly fee? I occasionally want to send “nice looking” emails but get asked by lots of comms people about it. Recommending a monthly fee service is a non starter, but buying some software is pretty easy to decide. “Should I pay once? Or pay forever?” Is there anything in the functionality that takes advantage of SaaS? Other than updates and whatnot? Of course the price/value…

Honestly I have no problem with monthly fees for software you use every day, or frequently, for professional use. I'm fine paying monthly for things like Adobe Creative Cloud, Microsoft Office, and 1Password. Those are all desktop apps, albeit with a cloud component that I mostly don't use. I easily get my money back 10x over (likely more) based on the income I generate with the apps. The pricing here seems targeted…

Adobe is shitty.

I only get lightroom in a abo which would be fine if the minimum time would be a month but it is a year.

Best if both worlds for Adobe non for the consumer

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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Very nice, however: > The designs that you create in Mail Studio are compatible with everything from iOS Mail to Outlook 2007 and > If you like writing code, you will love Mail Studio’s CSS editor. You get autocomplete, support for CSS variables (custom props) and media queries. are mutually exclusive.

Way I interpret it is that that you write down your markup/CSS, and the app spits out compliant HTML that will render properly regardless of email client. Might be wrong, though.

Sounds like a bit like Emogrifier [0] or other "inliners" but media queries seem a bit suspect.

[0] https://www.myintervals.com/emogrifier.php

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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post #13

This is desktop software, why is there a monthly fee? I occasionally want to send “nice looking” emails but get asked by lots of comms people about it. Recommending a monthly fee service is a non starter, but buying some software is pretty easy to decide. “Should I pay once? Or pay forever?” Is there anything in the functionality that takes advantage of SaaS? Other than updates and whatnot? Of course the price/value…

It works for Adobe.

It's what Adobe does. That's not the same as saying it works for them, and it definitely isn't the same as saying it's the optimal pricing model for them. You have no way of knowing whether they'd make more or less money by moving to a different strategy. Copying what someone does without understanding how it works for them or why they did it is literally the definition of cargo cult behaviour. That's usually a bad idea.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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HTML in email is legacy hell. I wonder if someone wants to create a new MIME-type like text/html+css, and clients who want can implement it. In theory you could have representations of the message like video/mpeg4 and text/plain, and depending on the client capabilities and configuration, the receiver could watch a video or read plain text. The information content of the 2 (or more) don't even have to be the same! Fo…

Emails are pretty simple once you realize you just have to stick to HTML . Forget everything you know about the last 20 years of webdev improvements, like the ability to center something painlessly via flexbox, and you're good to go!

Who needs flexbox when you can simply use !

/s

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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i would appreciate if they only could send meaningful plain text messages BESIDES the text/html bloat they send, not garbage. or do not add text/plain at all.

i often ancounter emails with multipart/alternative containing text/html and text/plain too but the plain part is

1) the HTML source, or

2) exists but empty, or in the best case

3) something like "see the html part", or in the worst case

4) a seemingly valid text but actually an earlier version of that in the html, or

4/b) valid text but with template variables not substituted with actual data.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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An email user's viewpoint: pretty emails formatted like web pages (e.g., like what GOG.com sends) may provide a sense of accomplishment to the designer, and their employer a warm, fuzzy, Brand-CompliantTM feeling -- but as a user I kind of like emails that are just... messages. With hyperlinks if it's appropriate. Images aren't always a great idea -- lots of clients block them by default. Why not have just text in pa…

You're talking about optimization. In your opinion emails with fancy layout and "on-brand" design will get a lower level of engagement than plain text with well-written copy. You may well be right (in a lot of cases.) But you don't know that. It's a guess based on your biases and assumptions. This is why it's critically important to measure things when you optimize them. Believing that you should engage with your cus…

What I do know from measuring my marketing and transactional emails is that the least possible formatting results in the lowest probability that I end up in the spam folder.

The hypothesis I had here (unverified) is that using a tool to produce email makes your email look like spam produced by that tool (by other people). My hypothesis more specifically is that spam detection software weighs similarity in the structure equally to similarity in content.

My HTML emails have since been modified to be absolutely minimal HTML as hints to the layout and nothing else. They are more like plain text emails that have been polished with just the lightest sprinkle of HTML and CSS but nothing more.

The result of keeping things simple is that my deliverability is over 99% and the open rate also phenomenally high.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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An email user's viewpoint: pretty emails formatted like web pages (e.g., like what GOG.com sends) may provide a sense of accomplishment to the designer, and their employer a warm, fuzzy, Brand-CompliantTM feeling -- but as a user I kind of like emails that are just... messages. With hyperlinks if it's appropriate. Images aren't always a great idea -- lots of clients block them by default. Why not have just text in pa…

You're talking about optimization. In your opinion emails with fancy layout and "on-brand" design will get a lower level of engagement than plain text with well-written copy. You may well be right (in a lot of cases.) But you don't know that. It's a guess based on your biases and assumptions. This is why it's critically important to measure things when you optimize them. Believing that you should engage with your cus…

As someone who spent a very long time in a text-only mail client, on purpose, and then switched to Thunderbird and set it to the "show the text version if at all possible" mode, I'll say that I've become ambivalent about it.

Now actually appreciate being able to scan emails based on the 10,000 ft view. Sometimes, images can convey a lot in a glance, the overall graphical layout can convey a lot too.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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MJML deserves a mention. We use it, together with mustache, to let users create their own mailings from some building blocks we offer. Works quite well!

MJML is insanely cool. I've just switched over to it and saved myself a ton of pain in creating consistent HTML emails.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

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The developer is super smart , it's Bootstrap Studio[0] rebranded as something new.

I remember Michael Seibel talking about YC company "launching multiple times" because you shouldn't be stopping until you find your product market fit.

This time it's seems like the right shot , but the pricing is quite high for what is it...

[0]https://bootstrapstudio.io/

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